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Yes, current anti-abuse law seems more likely to be able to physically intervene even when the abuser is popular and/or powerful. I do not think we should retur

by YellOh 3y ago

Yes, current anti-abuse law seems more likely to be able to physically intervene even when the abuser is popular and/or powerful. I do not think we should return to the past. However, after a negative event in a relationship (abuse, or your spouse dying, or your child getting sick), people in general were more likely to have more friends and a stronger communal relationship that resulted in mutual aid (emotional and/or material). This isn't gone today, just greatly diminished. As a prototypical example, think of small-town communities centered around a church, where members are able to reliably get both meaningful connection with others (social/emotional needs) and trust each other to help with things like childcare or a church group to go repair someone's house. It's not that community is completely nonexistent in the modern world, or that we should give up the benefits of modern life to try to recapture it. Just that the average person in the recent past was more likely to have useful & meaningful connections with others that they could depend on in hardship than does (for example) the prototypical modern professional in an atomized big city.

watwut 3y ago
I think that abuse is particularly bad example, because nowadays you have way more commute support for that too. You have less childcare support and stuff like that. > However, after a negative event in a relationship (abuse, or your spouse dying, or your child getting sick), people in general were more likely to have more friends and a stronger communal relationship that resulted in mutual aid (emotional and/or material). This isn't gone today, just greatly diminished I would really need to see citatio for that. Because by all I know about past attitudes, pretty much the opposite happened. A lot of abuse was normalized. You even see that in memoirs - pre was memoirs frequently mentioned violent partners and the only respite was his death. The attitudes now are much different. Even today, in remote Amish or Mormon communities, victim gets blamed, told to be submissive a and that is that. I mean, I literally heard sermon from conservative priest about how men should hit table with fist and if he hits woman she should cook better soup to chill him out.

by YellOh 3y ago

watwut 3y ago

I think that abuse is particularly bad example, because nowadays you have way more commute support for that too. You have less childcare support and stuff like that. > However, after a negative event in a relationship (abuse, or your spouse dying, or your child getting sick), people in general were more likely to have more friends and a stronger communal relationship that resulted in mutual aid (emotional and/or material). This isn't gone today, just greatly diminished I would really need to see citatio for that. Because by all I know about past attitudes, pretty much the opposite happened. A lot of abuse was normalized. You even see that in memoirs - pre was memoirs frequently mentioned violent partners and the only respite was his death. The attitudes now are much different. Even today, in remote Amish or Mormon communities, victim gets blamed, told to be submissive a and that is that. I mean, I literally heard sermon from conservative priest about how men should hit table with fist and if he hits woman she should cook better soup to chill him out.