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"Weirder languages (e.g: Haskell)" sounds like something a Blub programmer would say. How is Haskell "weird"? I've used Python for many years, but only recent

by Peaker 15y ago

"Weirder languages (e.g: Haskell)" sounds like something a Blub programmer would say. How is Haskell "weird"? I've used Python for many years, but only recently have I migrated my last Python niche (simple scripts) from Python to Haskell. I've found that even there, Haskell has become more productive.

masklinn 15y ago
> How is Haskell "weird"? Functional the world (of wide-spread computing languages) is imperative, lazy the world is eager, objects-less when the world is object-oriented, curried when the world is uncurried, pattern-matched when the world is conditional and brings up "strange" concepts from mathematical bowels like "monads", "functors" or "zippers" when the world barely iterates on arrays. How is Haskell not weird from the point of view of 99% of the developers population? Knowing, liking or using Haskell is not even relevant there, Haskell is weird because it is an alien to the majority in the same way Smalltalk, Erlang or Clojure are weird (but for different reasons, for the most part).
- Peaker 15y ago
  I understand "different". Not "weird".
  - masklinn 15y ago
    They reify to the same thing, something different looks weird, and something weird is different.
  - njharman 15y ago
    You seem to be attaching a non-existent negative connotation to weird. Weird means different. Weird is "more" different.
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- whateverer 15y ago
  The world is mostly parallel and asynchronous, yet most languages are sequential and synchronous. And the object-orientedness claim is overstated, as you drink from a cup, rather than use rather than think it in terms of cup.spill(), signals propagate, but 'return' is nowhere to be found... unless of course you are just talking about programming, but that's a bit of a circular argument.
ajankovic 15y ago
I believe that sentence was meant to be a joke by addressing common generalizations about other languages.

by Peaker 15y ago

masklinn 15y ago

> How is Haskell "weird"? Functional the world (of wide-spread computing languages) is imperative, lazy the world is eager, objects-less when the world is object-oriented, curried when the world is uncurried, pattern-matched when the world is conditional and brings up "strange" concepts from mathematical bowels like "monads", "functors" or "zippers" when the world barely iterates on arrays. How is Haskell not weird from the point of view of 99% of the developers population? Knowing, liking or using Haskell is not even relevant there, Haskell is weird because it is an alien to the majority in the same way Smalltalk, Erlang or Clojure are weird (but for different reasons, for the most part).

Peaker 15y ago
I understand "different". Not "weird".
- masklinn 15y ago
  They reify to the same thing, something different looks weird, and something weird is different.
- njharman 15y ago
  You seem to be attaching a non-existent negative connotation to weird. Weird means different. Weird is "more" different.
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whateverer 15y ago
The world is mostly parallel and asynchronous, yet most languages are sequential and synchronous. And the object-orientedness claim is overstated, as you drink from a cup, rather than use rather than think it in terms of cup.spill(), signals propagate, but 'return' is nowhere to be found... unless of course you are just talking about programming, but that's a bit of a circular argument.

ajankovic 15y ago

I believe that sentence was meant to be a joke by addressing common generalizations about other languages.