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Maybe if they stopped trying to become monoliths, people would stop considering them as monoliths? What purpose could buying GitHub serve if they don't want Gi

Maybe if they stopped trying to become monoliths, people would stop considering them as monoliths? What purpose could buying GitHub serve if they don't want GitHub to be a part of Microsoft? They are obviously trying to do everything, via a centralized organization which is Microsoft, so by all measures, they are or want to become, a monolith. Regardless of what other people in the organization is doing, the organization as a whole is represented by everyone working their, no matter if they work on ads, cloud, FOSS or office products. You cannot work in one area and somehow ignore the work of your colleagues,

kbenson 3y ago
That's sort of like condemning all of the U.S. because one state does something you don't agree with. In a large organization different departments may do different things and have different incentives, and until they overstep too much may have quite a bit of autonomy. Considering all actions taken as part of some overarching plan is probably assuming too much. Some actions probably are towards some larger strategy, but myriad other ones are likely sub-level decisions. Always looking at large corporations such as Microsoft as one entity with a cohesive goal is easy, but it's also simplistic, which doesn't always yield a useful and productive discussion.
- cumshitpiss 3y ago
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- JohnFen 3y ago
  > That's sort of like condemning all of the U.S. because one state does something you don't agree with. It's more like condemning all of the US because it has implemented a national policy that only one state really wanted. It doesn't matter that only one state wanted it. It's still national policy and thus fair game to criticize the entire nation for.
  - kbenson 3y ago
    Is it a company wide policy that Microsoft apps open links in edge, or a Teams and Edge thing? Do office apps open links in edge? Does VS code? If they do, then I agree with you. If they don't, then I don't, for what should be obvious reasons.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      If a company has implemented it in a product that is publicly released, it's a company policy even if only the dev team was responsible for it.
      - kbenson 3y ago
        Eh, no. That's a reach. A company policy would be something that the whole company is expected to follow. If only the teams that coordinated on it follow it, that's not a policy in any way, it's just a choice that a portion of the company made, it could be something that the company doesn't care about one way or another or it could be something that wasn't addressed prior to release (if you think every decision a team makes gets complete review and is totally understood, I think you're wrong).
BizarroLand 3y ago
Even a monolith is made up of many atoms all sticking together. Just because your particular outcropping isn't coated in digital blood doesn't mean you're not part of the problem. If a company sent out two crews of people and one crew gave out flowers to strangers and the other crew punched little old lady's faces in, would you still crow about how you're only handing out flowers?

kbenson 3y ago

That's sort of like condemning all of the U.S. because one state does something you don't agree with. In a large organization different departments may do different things and have different incentives, and until they overstep too much may have quite a bit of autonomy. Considering all actions taken as part of some overarching plan is probably assuming too much. Some actions probably are towards some larger strategy, but myriad other ones are likely sub-level decisions. Always looking at large corporations such as Microsoft as one entity with a cohesive goal is easy, but it's also simplistic, which doesn't always yield a useful and productive discussion.

cumshitpiss 3y ago
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JohnFen 3y ago
> That's sort of like condemning all of the U.S. because one state does something you don't agree with. It's more like condemning all of the US because it has implemented a national policy that only one state really wanted. It doesn't matter that only one state wanted it. It's still national policy and thus fair game to criticize the entire nation for.
- kbenson 3y ago
  Is it a company wide policy that Microsoft apps open links in edge, or a Teams and Edge thing? Do office apps open links in edge? Does VS code? If they do, then I agree with you. If they don't, then I don't, for what should be obvious reasons.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    If a company has implemented it in a product that is publicly released, it's a company policy even if only the dev team was responsible for it.
    - kbenson 3y ago
      Eh, no. That's a reach. A company policy would be something that the whole company is expected to follow. If only the teams that coordinated on it follow it, that's not a policy in any way, it's just a choice that a portion of the company made, it could be something that the company doesn't care about one way or another or it could be something that wasn't addressed prior to release (if you think every decision a team makes gets complete review and is totally understood, I think you're wrong).

BizarroLand 3y ago

Even a monolith is made up of many atoms all sticking together. Just because your particular outcropping isn't coated in digital blood doesn't mean you're not part of the problem. If a company sent out two crews of people and one crew gave out flowers to strangers and the other crew punched little old lady's faces in, would you still crow about how you're only handing out flowers?