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I always saw it as Microsoft is clearly two (or more) companies now. Some of those companies are very much what Microsoft was always like. Some others aren't at

I always saw it as Microsoft is clearly two (or more) companies now. Some of those companies are very much what Microsoft was always like. Some others aren't at all like microsoft in anything but name.

tommica 4y ago
That might not be a good way to look at it, there might be some people that want to just deliver some good products, but the company itself is not something that should be given the benefit because of those few employees. Microsoft == Microsoft
capableweb 4y ago
That might be a useful point of view if you happen to work at GitHub and you don't really want to wake up to the fact that you actually work for Microsoft now. But for anyone else, everything Microsoft owns is Microsoft, and they'll use the products and properties they owned to further the goal of Microsoft, which is maximizing shareholder profits, just like any other public company.
- worrycue 4y ago
  > just like any other public company Except way more mercenary. Companies compete like boxers in a ring. You win some, you lose some. MS is the boxer who would hit below the belt if no one is looking and will try to main/kill you if they can. https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=MacBasic.txt https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=MacBasic.txt
  - capableweb 4y ago
    > maximizing shareholder profits, just like any other public company Show me one of these big technology companies that doesn't act to benefit their shareholders? Microsoft is Google is Apple is Amazon. They're all the same internally. The only difference is their optics when you're looking at them as an outsider. But really, they all work toward the same goal, increasing their stock price.
    - worrycue 4y ago
      You replying to the right person?
      - capableweb 4y ago
        Yes, you said that Microsoft is "just like any other public company" but "Except way more mercenary". I'm saying that no, Microsoft is just like the others. They're all like that. All of them would hit below the belt if the risk/reward calculation is correct for shareholders.
        worrycue 4y ago
        Surprisingly, most of them don't, not to the level Microsoft does at least. Can you give an example of another company as mercenary as Microsoft? P.S. The Halloween Documents give a good overview of how Microsoft thinks.
    - rightbyte 4y ago
      > Show me one of these big technology companies that doesn't act to benefit their shareholders? The owners seems to be in a constant power struggle with executives and management. Also, future to be shareholder are ripped off by current. I companies would focus on (long term) profitability many of their problems would be solved.
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aaaronic 4y ago
Or more, indeed!

tommica 4y ago

That might not be a good way to look at it, there might be some people that want to just deliver some good products, but the company itself is not something that should be given the benefit because of those few employees. Microsoft == Microsoft

capableweb 4y ago

That might be a useful point of view if you happen to work at GitHub and you don't really want to wake up to the fact that you actually work for Microsoft now. But for anyone else, everything Microsoft owns is Microsoft, and they'll use the products and properties they owned to further the goal of Microsoft, which is maximizing shareholder profits, just like any other public company.

worrycue 4y ago
> just like any other public company Except way more mercenary. Companies compete like boxers in a ring. You win some, you lose some. MS is the boxer who would hit below the belt if no one is looking and will try to main/kill you if they can. https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=MacBasic.txt https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=MacBasic.txt
- capableweb 4y ago
  > maximizing shareholder profits, just like any other public company Show me one of these big technology companies that doesn't act to benefit their shareholders? Microsoft is Google is Apple is Amazon. They're all the same internally. The only difference is their optics when you're looking at them as an outsider. But really, they all work toward the same goal, increasing their stock price.
  - worrycue 4y ago
    You replying to the right person?
    - capableweb 4y ago
      Yes, you said that Microsoft is "just like any other public company" but "Except way more mercenary". I'm saying that no, Microsoft is just like the others. They're all like that. All of them would hit below the belt if the risk/reward calculation is correct for shareholders.
      - worrycue 4y ago
        Surprisingly, most of them don't, not to the level Microsoft does at least. Can you give an example of another company as mercenary as Microsoft? P.S. The Halloween Documents give a good overview of how Microsoft thinks.
  - rightbyte 4y ago
    > Show me one of these big technology companies that doesn't act to benefit their shareholders? The owners seems to be in a constant power struggle with executives and management. Also, future to be shareholder are ripped off by current. I companies would focus on (long term) profitability many of their problems would be solved.

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aaaronic 4y ago

Or more, indeed!