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But not my point. Even if true what you are saying (and not saying either way) , I could still do a hundred things I could do in protest or as agent for change

by prox 3y ago

But not my point. Even if true what you are saying (and not saying either way) , I could still do a hundred things I could do in protest or as agent for change as an individual or as a group that I cannot do in Russia.

konart 3y ago
Does this really matter though? I mean - you can cry and shout as much as you want but this will only satisfy your own ego. This is like shouting at a wall.
- prox 3y ago
  Yes it does, and it has nothing to do with ego, and I am not at least emotional about it. Let’s turn it around, so there is absolutely no distinction between Russia and the US? So let’s demonstrate near the White House and the Kremlin. I assure you both outcomes are different. Let’s set up a fund that allows me to criticize the government, pretty sure I can do that in the US, and good luck doing that for Russia. You get the idea. There is definitely a difference.
  - konart 3y ago
    > Let’s turn it around, so there is absolutely no distinction between Russia and the US? This depends on what one finds importand and what not. My wife says, for example, that there is no difference except for nature, climate and a few minor thigs. I say - there is more than a few differences, but still two countries have more in common than people think. >let’s demonstrate >I assure you both outcomes are different. If the result if the same (the government changing or not changing its policy or decisions) than there is no difference. Yes in one scenario you may end up dead (and not necessarily in Russia) but this is not what's important here.
ekianjo 3y ago
> hundred things I could do in protest or as agent for change as an individual or as a group that I cannot do in Russia. yet I fail to see any single example in recent US history where citizen action has been able to stop a war in foreign lands. They were not even to stop an actual invasion of Iraq, so let me question the point of potential protests.

by prox 3y ago

konart 3y ago

Does this really matter though? I mean - you can cry and shout as much as you want but this will only satisfy your own ego. This is like shouting at a wall.

prox 3y ago
Yes it does, and it has nothing to do with ego, and I am not at least emotional about it. Let’s turn it around, so there is absolutely no distinction between Russia and the US? So let’s demonstrate near the White House and the Kremlin. I assure you both outcomes are different. Let’s set up a fund that allows me to criticize the government, pretty sure I can do that in the US, and good luck doing that for Russia. You get the idea. There is definitely a difference.
- konart 3y ago
  > Let’s turn it around, so there is absolutely no distinction between Russia and the US? This depends on what one finds importand and what not. My wife says, for example, that there is no difference except for nature, climate and a few minor thigs. I say - there is more than a few differences, but still two countries have more in common than people think. >let’s demonstrate >I assure you both outcomes are different. If the result if the same (the government changing or not changing its policy or decisions) than there is no difference. Yes in one scenario you may end up dead (and not necessarily in Russia) but this is not what's important here.

ekianjo 3y ago

> hundred things I could do in protest or as agent for change as an individual or as a group that I cannot do in Russia. yet I fail to see any single example in recent US history where citizen action has been able to stop a war in foreign lands. They were not even to stop an actual invasion of Iraq, so let me question the point of potential protests.