> I would go further and include embargoes and sanctions as falling under the militarily involved banner. That already includes South Africa where I am atm I'm

> I would go further and include embargoes and sanctions as falling under the militarily involved banner. That already includes South Africa where I am atm I'm inclined to agree, but you had to provide the one counterexample that actually shows sanctions being legitimately used for good against a terrible human right abusing regime. > Just try and imagine how much collective brain-time is spent in the US discussing animal rights, DEI, free speech, activism, left/right politics, gun rights, drug legalization, etc. > Every year they are poorer as a country, society and culture. Agree, the US is generally on a downward spiral for multiple reasons (mostly political deadlock due to a broken political system, massive amounts of time and efforts wasted on stupid niche issues, exceptionalism making them blind to fighting with problems the rest of the developed world has solved decades ago, economic and geopolitical development in the EU, China, India, Brazil, etc.). However, as of now, and for the foreseeable future they're still the primary military and economic power in the world. However better balance, for better and worse, is on the horizon.