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Wow, what a set of terrible handwaving advices that will produce zero results. Here is the proper list: 1. The only way to lose weight is to eat at a calories

Wow, what a set of terrible handwaving advices that will produce zero results. Here is the proper list: 1. The only way to lose weight is to eat at a calories deficit. Calculate the number of calories you need using this app/site/whatever, than make sure to eat at a devicit tracking all your eating with this app. EDIT: This does not mean it is not important to eat well and clean, but that eating well alone is not going to make you lose weight if you are eating too many calories. 2. Engage in strength training at least 2 times per week, better 3. It is impossible to revert eating too much with exercise because the calories used during exercise are very easy to eat back just with a few slices of bread. However resistance training helps to create more muscles and less fat in the event you are still getting weight, and if you are losing weight will protect from losing muscles. There will be also methabolic benefits. 3. To speedup the weight loss, assuming you are eating at a deficit, you may add some cardio activity, this also helps to lower blood pressure, glucose levels and so forth. 4. When eating don't use cheat days: if your daily deficit is for instance 400 calories, and in your cheat day you eat back 400*6 of the deficit created during the other six days, you will not lose any fat. 5. Weight every day and store the weight into an app that can draw a graph for you, such as Google Fit, MyFitnessPal or whatever. You need a constant warning in case you are not losing weight but are gaining it.

silisili 3y ago
And I consider this also potentially terrible advice. 1 is all you need to lose weight. 2 is mostly irrelevant. It's not like if you accidentally eat too much you'll get hulk muscles if you were working out. It's mostly impossible to both gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. 3 cardio is always good for you, but does little for weight loss, compared to food intake 4 is probably good advice. 5 is awful advice because you'll get discouraged weighing everyday. Between swings in water weight and erm, waste product, weight can easily swing a few lbs. Weekly is better advice. None of this is to say your advice is necessarily bad, but I feel you're treating heavy people as idiots that you are smarter than. And maybe you are. But I personally think there's much much more going on than fat people being too stupid to know better, and that's what we need to focus on.
- andrewmcwatters 3y ago
  No, you really do need to weigh in daily.
  - episteme 3y ago
    This argues for less frequent weighing, not more.
  - silisili 3y ago
    Makes no sense. A lb of pure fat is what, 3500 calories? You could eat nothing for 3 days and barely see the scale move. And if you get the runs and your body starts collecting water, it can swing the other way. Daily weighing proves absolutely nothing, and at best, follows the same trends as weekly weigh ins.
    - andrewmcwatters 3y ago
      Makes plenty of sense, if you’re tracking your weight of course you’ll see variation through the day, but over multiple days? No. You’re losing tenths of a pound at a time. That’s the indicator. If you’re on the wrong track you don’t want to find out 21,000 calories later.
      - silisili 3y ago
        If a person burns 2000k at rest, and eats a 1500k a day, we could expect this person to lose 1lb every 1 week, give or take. It's completely possible this person would see swings as much as 2lb up and down over that week. This tells them absolutely nothing about whether they are eating enough to lose weight or not. I'm not saying every day weighing is useless, as it still covers the necessary bases. Just that it doesn't tell you a ton in the short term, or not appreciably more than weekly weighing. I've swung 4lbs in a single day. How can that possibly jive with daily weighing in a way that makes any sense? If you're someone locked on your diet and just tracking, it's probably fine. If you're someone tuning your diet, you're gonna make a lot of really bad decisions based on daily data.
derelicta 3y ago
6. Engage yourself politically so that ads selling you fast-food and all sort of unhealthy shit gets prohibited. It's way easier to resist urges when you don't have daily triggers everywhere you go.
- logicchains 3y ago
  Someone who doesn't even have the self control to resist a bloody junk food advertisement is unlikely to have the energy to go around political campaigning. It's amazing how so many Americans nowadays have completely given up the idea of personal responsibility. It's been scientifically proven that willpower is like a muscle, it gets stronger the more we use it. If we encourage people to blame advertisements rather than their own poor self control, then we don't encourage people to strengthen their willpower, so it's no wonder obesity rates are higher than ever before. Your great grandparents would be laughing their asses off if they were around to hear people today suggesting it's easier to engage in the polticial process than just be more careful about what they put in their mouths.
  - derelicta 3y ago
    Your first mistake is to assume I'm American. Your second is to blame hundreds of millions of people for engaging in self-destructing behaviour, when there are businesses out there whose sole purpose is to harass them with material meant to turn them into addicts. Time to ask yourself if there are maybe systemic reasons why half of a country is stuffing themselves to death.
switch007 3y ago
Is that what all healthy-weight Sicilians do? :D Or are there factors like good weather, quality food, better food standards, a societal embarrassment about being overweight, portion control and generally a better way of life that doesn’t make people so depressed?
- antirez 3y ago
  Eating well is important, but in Sicily we have a huge weight problem now while eating tons of vegetables and so forth. If you eat too much, you eat too much.
simmerup 3y ago
This is bad advice that I followed in my 20s. I leant into CICO philosophy hard, which led me to eating tons of processed foods with added sugars. What this looked like on the regular was months of weight gain, followed by months of weight loss where every food was measured in calories and I went to bed starving dreaming of marshmallows. It’s not how we’re supposed to be. Ever since I cut out the processed foods and refined sugars and stick to as unprocessed as possible (think rice, potatoes, legumes, fruit and veg) my weight has settled without me even having to think about it, and I hardly ever get hungry enough for it to impact my mood even if I’ve skipped multiple meals. Honestly, following CICO was one of the biggest mistakes of my twenties. The only downside of my current diet is how much time and money it takes to manage, and the upfront mental cost of learning recipes rather than buying a frozen pizza or something similar.
- stevenhuang 3y ago
  You followed CICO but ate unhealthily. I don't know what you expected. It should have been beyond obvious you'd need to meet some baseline of nutritional requirements or you'd not be satiated and feel like crap all the time. The point of CICO is to remind yourself even if you eat healthy, if you eat more calories than you lose, you won't lose weight.
  - simmerup 3y ago
    Nothing is obvious until you learn it. I got my five a day which is the extent of government communication on the topic of nutrition. > The point of CICO is to remind yourself even if you eat healthy, if you eat more calories than you lose, you won't lose weight. And the point i’m making is that if you eat mostly unprocessed food you won’t have to worry about it. It becomes difficult to put on weight because your body moderates your appetite
    - fwn 3y ago
      That's great if it works for you. While I have never eaten a lot of convenience and/or overly processed foods (the category is a bit vague), I often overeat despite cooking from scratch. I think it gets worse as I get better at cooking. I overate on a fantastic goose I made last weekend, for example. My takeaway from our parents' post was that while CICO is sufficient for weight loss, it alone is not sufficient for well-being.
bitL 3y ago
Calorie deficit doesn't work. One has to switch body to burning fat and eating any carbs prevents it due to keeping carb metabolism pathway instead of fat-burning one, switching body to starvation mode, depression and major muscle loss. The fastest way to lose fat weight is electrolyte fasting with no food (1lb/0.5kg weight loss a day). This method works for very determined fairly healthy folks but most aren't those; it's also super important to drink a lot during this fasting and break the fast by taking high-dose thiamine. Carnivore diet (meat/fish/quality fat) gives similar results due to activating the same metabolic pathway while keeping eating but the rate of weight loss is more like 2lb/1kg a week and not feeling hungry at all.

silisili 3y ago

And I consider this also potentially terrible advice. 1 is all you need to lose weight. 2 is mostly irrelevant. It's not like if you accidentally eat too much you'll get hulk muscles if you were working out. It's mostly impossible to both gain muscle and lose fat at the same time. 3 cardio is always good for you, but does little for weight loss, compared to food intake 4 is probably good advice. 5 is awful advice because you'll get discouraged weighing everyday. Between swings in water weight and erm, waste product, weight can easily swing a few lbs. Weekly is better advice. None of this is to say your advice is necessarily bad, but I feel you're treating heavy people as idiots that you are smarter than. And maybe you are. But I personally think there's much much more going on than fat people being too stupid to know better, and that's what we need to focus on.

andrewmcwatters 3y ago
No, you really do need to weigh in daily.
- episteme 3y ago
  This argues for less frequent weighing, not more.
- silisili 3y ago
  Makes no sense. A lb of pure fat is what, 3500 calories? You could eat nothing for 3 days and barely see the scale move. And if you get the runs and your body starts collecting water, it can swing the other way. Daily weighing proves absolutely nothing, and at best, follows the same trends as weekly weigh ins.
  - andrewmcwatters 3y ago
    Makes plenty of sense, if you’re tracking your weight of course you’ll see variation through the day, but over multiple days? No. You’re losing tenths of a pound at a time. That’s the indicator. If you’re on the wrong track you don’t want to find out 21,000 calories later.
    - silisili 3y ago
      If a person burns 2000k at rest, and eats a 1500k a day, we could expect this person to lose 1lb every 1 week, give or take. It's completely possible this person would see swings as much as 2lb up and down over that week. This tells them absolutely nothing about whether they are eating enough to lose weight or not. I'm not saying every day weighing is useless, as it still covers the necessary bases. Just that it doesn't tell you a ton in the short term, or not appreciably more than weekly weighing. I've swung 4lbs in a single day. How can that possibly jive with daily weighing in a way that makes any sense? If you're someone locked on your diet and just tracking, it's probably fine. If you're someone tuning your diet, you're gonna make a lot of really bad decisions based on daily data.

derelicta 3y ago

6. Engage yourself politically so that ads selling you fast-food and all sort of unhealthy shit gets prohibited. It's way easier to resist urges when you don't have daily triggers everywhere you go.

logicchains 3y ago
Someone who doesn't even have the self control to resist a bloody junk food advertisement is unlikely to have the energy to go around political campaigning. It's amazing how so many Americans nowadays have completely given up the idea of personal responsibility. It's been scientifically proven that willpower is like a muscle, it gets stronger the more we use it. If we encourage people to blame advertisements rather than their own poor self control, then we don't encourage people to strengthen their willpower, so it's no wonder obesity rates are higher than ever before. Your great grandparents would be laughing their asses off if they were around to hear people today suggesting it's easier to engage in the polticial process than just be more careful about what they put in their mouths.
- derelicta 3y ago
  Your first mistake is to assume I'm American. Your second is to blame hundreds of millions of people for engaging in self-destructing behaviour, when there are businesses out there whose sole purpose is to harass them with material meant to turn them into addicts. Time to ask yourself if there are maybe systemic reasons why half of a country is stuffing themselves to death.

switch007 3y ago

Is that what all healthy-weight Sicilians do? :D Or are there factors like good weather, quality food, better food standards, a societal embarrassment about being overweight, portion control and generally a better way of life that doesn’t make people so depressed?

antirez 3y ago
Eating well is important, but in Sicily we have a huge weight problem now while eating tons of vegetables and so forth. If you eat too much, you eat too much.

simmerup 3y ago

This is bad advice that I followed in my 20s. I leant into CICO philosophy hard, which led me to eating tons of processed foods with added sugars. What this looked like on the regular was months of weight gain, followed by months of weight loss where every food was measured in calories and I went to bed starving dreaming of marshmallows. It’s not how we’re supposed to be. Ever since I cut out the processed foods and refined sugars and stick to as unprocessed as possible (think rice, potatoes, legumes, fruit and veg) my weight has settled without me even having to think about it, and I hardly ever get hungry enough for it to impact my mood even if I’ve skipped multiple meals. Honestly, following CICO was one of the biggest mistakes of my twenties. The only downside of my current diet is how much time and money it takes to manage, and the upfront mental cost of learning recipes rather than buying a frozen pizza or something similar.

stevenhuang 3y ago
You followed CICO but ate unhealthily. I don't know what you expected. It should have been beyond obvious you'd need to meet some baseline of nutritional requirements or you'd not be satiated and feel like crap all the time. The point of CICO is to remind yourself even if you eat healthy, if you eat more calories than you lose, you won't lose weight.
- simmerup 3y ago
  Nothing is obvious until you learn it. I got my five a day which is the extent of government communication on the topic of nutrition. > The point of CICO is to remind yourself even if you eat healthy, if you eat more calories than you lose, you won't lose weight. And the point i’m making is that if you eat mostly unprocessed food you won’t have to worry about it. It becomes difficult to put on weight because your body moderates your appetite
  - fwn 3y ago
    That's great if it works for you. While I have never eaten a lot of convenience and/or overly processed foods (the category is a bit vague), I often overeat despite cooking from scratch. I think it gets worse as I get better at cooking. I overate on a fantastic goose I made last weekend, for example. My takeaway from our parents' post was that while CICO is sufficient for weight loss, it alone is not sufficient for well-being.

bitL 3y ago

Calorie deficit doesn't work. One has to switch body to burning fat and eating any carbs prevents it due to keeping carb metabolism pathway instead of fat-burning one, switching body to starvation mode, depression and major muscle loss. The fastest way to lose fat weight is electrolyte fasting with no food (1lb/0.5kg weight loss a day). This method works for very determined fairly healthy folks but most aren't those; it's also super important to drink a lot during this fasting and break the fast by taking high-dose thiamine. Carnivore diet (meat/fish/quality fat) gives similar results due to activating the same metabolic pathway while keeping eating but the rate of weight loss is more like 2lb/1kg a week and not feeling hungry at all.