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Framework is doing brilliant work. They create reusable computer formats that anyone can hack against. Strongly considering a Framework 13 as my next computer.

Framework is doing brilliant work. They create reusable computer formats that anyone can hack against. Strongly considering a Framework 13 as my next computer. - Expansion cards: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionCards https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionCards - Expansion bay: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionBay https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionBay - Input modules: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/inputmodule-rs https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/inputmodule-rs

_cenw 3y ago
Can anyone report if the battery life issues have been fixed, and to what degree. This is what kept me from switching...
- pveierland 3y ago
  They improved it as part of the latest refresh: https://frame.work/blog/whats-new-in-this-years-framework-laptop-13-part1 https://frame.work/blog/whats-new-in-this-years-framework-la...
- abofh 3y ago
  Battery life better than my apple device for sure - though it's an old MacBook air
  - Cthulhu_ 3y ago
    The new Apple benchmark will be their M1 / M2 laptops, I don't think anything tops that at this point.
    - abofh 3y ago
      Dunno, I'm less and less interested in apple devices these days, I've got one on the shelf, I guess we can test it in a year or two
- spiffytech 3y ago
  Running Fedora and doing web browsing + light coding, I get around 5 hours of battery. That doesn't feel great, but it's rarely an actual problem for my use patterns. Besides that, I love the laptop.
- schmorptron 3y ago
  The new AMD models that are coming out later this year seem very promising in that regard, but no reviews are out as of yet.
- j45 3y ago
  They are offering larger batteries than before, probably time to revisit
- WinLychee 3y ago
  On Linux this was solved for me by using `tlp` and I check usage once in a while with powertop. It's going to be not so great out of the box (~5-6 hours) but after some basic tweaks I can pull 10. Mostly the fixes are about getting the CPU to scale down into a low power state.
- smeej 3y ago
  I've never managed to get sleep or hibernate to work correctly, so aside from the fact that I have to shut the thing all the way down if I want to leave it unplugged overnight, or just always leave it plugged in, it's fine. I think it might have to do with my using full-disk encryption, but I've been unwilling to go all the way through attempting a fresh install to fix.
  - culopatin 3y ago
    So it’s like a desktop with a hinge. I recently moved to a MacBook after being a win/Linux user my whole life and the thing I love the most is the feeling that if I close the lid, all is going to be ok and I can immediately open it back up and it won’t freak out or I won’t find it’s still working on sleeping. Being at an airport and closing it, putting it in the bag, boarding, resuming work. Or relocating at home from table to desk to couch, things you do with a laptop cost you battery and heat with a framework?
    - q845712 3y ago
      YMMV but both my macbooks occasionally display evidence that they were awake while they were asleep (e.g. if i close the hing at 10pm and open it at 8am, it might show 2:14am for a few seconds before catching up, but also they show new unread messages even before connecting to wifi). Weirdly my 2013 macbook is much much better at going to sleep and waking up with nearly the same battery capacity, whereas my 2019 (work laptop) will often run down 15-40% of its battery over the weekend while completely closed.
      - _cenw 3y ago
        That's intentional and what Windows Modern Standby is trying to copy, badly. https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/what-is-power-nap-mh40773/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/what-is-power-nap-m...
      - culopatin 3y ago
        Have you check your settings? There is one that allows the Mac to wake up to update
TT-392 3y ago
Keep in mind that the 13 doesn't have the expension bay, nor the input modules. I really do want those 2 features, so U am strongly considering the 16", even if it is a little big for my taste.
- MayeulC 3y ago
  Same, I would like a Framework 13 with input modules (an ortholinear layout may finally be possible? Also with QMK). Also, I would rather take a r5 and have increased battery life (I bet the r7 are binned for higher perf and have higher leakage), but they only offered the bigger battery with the r7, last time I looked. 16" is definitely big (I have a desktop and docking station anyway), so I've refrained from ordering for now, hile I decide :|
bitL 3y ago
As much as I like the idea, they don't address their main weakness - low resolution display. They are like a 720p phone - 2256x1504 is somewhat precise but one can clearly see the pixels and switching to 2x mode makes everything huge. Older ASUS ZenBook could do 3300x2200 at the same size for about the same money.
- maverwa 3y ago
  Sure there are manufacturers with higher resolution displays out there, but there is even more that still just run 1080p on these. Its not easy finding an AMD device with more than 1080p or maybe 1920x1200 even today, even on larger screen (15"). So yeah, its not 4k, but its not shabby either.
  - bitL 3y ago
    That seems more like Intel gatekeeping high-end for themselves via some shady background deals with laptop manufacturers. There is no reason why an 8-core Ryzen with Radeon GPU would be limited to these crappy 1080p resolutions.
- MayeulC 3y ago
  I had a 720p phone, and it was perfectly fine (I also have a 720p Steam Deck). I guess it depends on what you use it for, as it could be useful for graphics work. On the other hand, I value battery life, and increasing pixel count always had a negative impact.
  - bitL 3y ago
    That's fine, for folks like you Framework should offer the current display. For folks like me they could offer the 3300x2200 option. They offer options on everything but display for some reason.
    - lancesells 3y ago
      They would have to buy and stock the panels. Maybe they aren't getting enough requests for a higher res display.
mkopec 3y ago
Well you can't hack the firmware :( A baffling decision considering the brilliant work they're doing otherwise. I do not see a reason why they absolutely need to have Intel Boot Guard enabled. I'm at the point where I'm not even looking for laptops with coreboot OOTB, I just want a good laptop that is not fused to the vendor's keys. I'll port coreboot to it myself.

_cenw 3y ago

Can anyone report if the battery life issues have been fixed, and to what degree. This is what kept me from switching...

pveierland 3y ago
They improved it as part of the latest refresh: https://frame.work/blog/whats-new-in-this-years-framework-laptop-13-part1 https://frame.work/blog/whats-new-in-this-years-framework-la...
abofh 3y ago
Battery life better than my apple device for sure - though it's an old MacBook air
- Cthulhu_ 3y ago
  The new Apple benchmark will be their M1 / M2 laptops, I don't think anything tops that at this point.
  - abofh 3y ago
    Dunno, I'm less and less interested in apple devices these days, I've got one on the shelf, I guess we can test it in a year or two
spiffytech 3y ago
Running Fedora and doing web browsing + light coding, I get around 5 hours of battery. That doesn't feel great, but it's rarely an actual problem for my use patterns. Besides that, I love the laptop.
schmorptron 3y ago
The new AMD models that are coming out later this year seem very promising in that regard, but no reviews are out as of yet.
j45 3y ago
They are offering larger batteries than before, probably time to revisit
WinLychee 3y ago
On Linux this was solved for me by using `tlp` and I check usage once in a while with powertop. It's going to be not so great out of the box (~5-6 hours) but after some basic tweaks I can pull 10. Mostly the fixes are about getting the CPU to scale down into a low power state.
smeej 3y ago
I've never managed to get sleep or hibernate to work correctly, so aside from the fact that I have to shut the thing all the way down if I want to leave it unplugged overnight, or just always leave it plugged in, it's fine. I think it might have to do with my using full-disk encryption, but I've been unwilling to go all the way through attempting a fresh install to fix.
- culopatin 3y ago
  So it’s like a desktop with a hinge. I recently moved to a MacBook after being a win/Linux user my whole life and the thing I love the most is the feeling that if I close the lid, all is going to be ok and I can immediately open it back up and it won’t freak out or I won’t find it’s still working on sleeping. Being at an airport and closing it, putting it in the bag, boarding, resuming work. Or relocating at home from table to desk to couch, things you do with a laptop cost you battery and heat with a framework?
  - q845712 3y ago
    YMMV but both my macbooks occasionally display evidence that they were awake while they were asleep (e.g. if i close the hing at 10pm and open it at 8am, it might show 2:14am for a few seconds before catching up, but also they show new unread messages even before connecting to wifi). Weirdly my 2013 macbook is much much better at going to sleep and waking up with nearly the same battery capacity, whereas my 2019 (work laptop) will often run down 15-40% of its battery over the weekend while completely closed.
    - _cenw 3y ago
      That's intentional and what Windows Modern Standby is trying to copy, badly. https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/what-is-power-nap-mh40773/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/what-is-power-nap-m...
    - culopatin 3y ago
      Have you check your settings? There is one that allows the Mac to wake up to update

TT-392 3y ago

Keep in mind that the 13 doesn't have the expension bay, nor the input modules. I really do want those 2 features, so U am strongly considering the 16", even if it is a little big for my taste.

MayeulC 3y ago
Same, I would like a Framework 13 with input modules (an ortholinear layout may finally be possible? Also with QMK). Also, I would rather take a r5 and have increased battery life (I bet the r7 are binned for higher perf and have higher leakage), but they only offered the bigger battery with the r7, last time I looked. 16" is definitely big (I have a desktop and docking station anyway), so I've refrained from ordering for now, hile I decide :|

bitL 3y ago

As much as I like the idea, they don't address their main weakness - low resolution display. They are like a 720p phone - 2256x1504 is somewhat precise but one can clearly see the pixels and switching to 2x mode makes everything huge. Older ASUS ZenBook could do 3300x2200 at the same size for about the same money.

maverwa 3y ago
Sure there are manufacturers with higher resolution displays out there, but there is even more that still just run 1080p on these. Its not easy finding an AMD device with more than 1080p or maybe 1920x1200 even today, even on larger screen (15"). So yeah, its not 4k, but its not shabby either.
- bitL 3y ago
  That seems more like Intel gatekeeping high-end for themselves via some shady background deals with laptop manufacturers. There is no reason why an 8-core Ryzen with Radeon GPU would be limited to these crappy 1080p resolutions.
MayeulC 3y ago
I had a 720p phone, and it was perfectly fine (I also have a 720p Steam Deck). I guess it depends on what you use it for, as it could be useful for graphics work. On the other hand, I value battery life, and increasing pixel count always had a negative impact.
- bitL 3y ago
  That's fine, for folks like you Framework should offer the current display. For folks like me they could offer the 3300x2200 option. They offer options on everything but display for some reason.
  - lancesells 3y ago
    They would have to buy and stock the panels. Maybe they aren't getting enough requests for a higher res display.

mkopec 3y ago

Well you can't hack the firmware :( A baffling decision considering the brilliant work they're doing otherwise. I do not see a reason why they absolutely need to have Intel Boot Guard enabled. I'm at the point where I'm not even looking for laptops with coreboot OOTB, I just want a good laptop that is not fused to the vendor's keys. I'll port coreboot to it myself.