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VCV Rack is quite fun and shows how the skeumorphic interface to things like music and synthesis is actually quite useful and understandable. While things like

VCV Rack is quite fun and shows how the skeumorphic interface to things like music and synthesis is actually quite useful and understandable. While things like supercollider and pure data exist, it's hard to argue that VCV Rack's interface isn't a lot simpler to get going with. I wish popular DAWs would learn a thing or two from it tbh. Connecting VSTs with the skeumorphic interface is a better experience than something like the otherwise excellent a Reaper does. Only FL Studio (with Patcher) gets this right.

jcelerier 3y ago
ossia score (https://ossia.io https://ossia.io) also uses a patching interface for audio/video/etc plug-ins, I'm curious about what you think of it
- Blackthorn 3y ago
  Honestly I can't say! It's just way beyond what I'm used to, with its multimedia focus. I'll need to check it out some more, which looks fun.
fb03 3y ago
There's the excellent (and open source) Bespoke Synth. https://www.bespokesynth.com/ https://www.bespokesynth.com/ https://youtu.be/NnrStjS4NhU https://youtu.be/NnrStjS4NhU
PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
> skeumorphic interface to things like music and synthesis There's a lot in Rack that isn't skeuomorphic. Really, a very big lot. In fact, even the patching process is only barely skeuomorphic - it doesn't obey the laws of physics in several different ways. Reaper has no modular environment at all, so "connecting VSTs" is not really a thing in that context - the data flow is almost always linear.
- Blackthorn 3y ago
  Skeumorphic doesn't mean 1:1, it just means very much like it from a design perspective. Obviously, patch cables in real life aren't polyphonic. > Reaper has no modular environment at all, so "connecting VSTs" is not really a thing in that context - the data flow is almost always linear. It most certainly does. The VSTs that sit in the fx chains are the modules. Parallel fx chains in the same track are handled by a (quite terrible) pin based system. Then beyond that there's the usual sends and side chains.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
    From my perspective (as a Rack user and developer of Ardour, another DAW), you're somewhat stretching the definition of a modular environment there.
    - Blackthorn 3y ago
      That's fair. I also think people would be more eager to do wacky vst routing in Reaper if the interface supported it somewhat better.
      - PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
        I've considered merging all of Cardinal or Rack into Ardour as something similar to Logic's "Environment" or Bitwig's "grid" We could do that because we're all GPL'ed projects, and can thus share code easily.
bambax 3y ago
> Only FL Studio gets this right Reason has racks and cables, if that's your thing. Personnally, I like Reason's synths, but I don't find connectiong virtual cables on a screen super intuitive, or practical. After a while it's difficult to see what goes where. Reaper is much less "sexy" but much clearer, IMHO.
- Blackthorn 3y ago
  With connected cables, you can see at a glance what feeds into what. I can't imagine anyone being able to do the same with reaper's in/out pin matrix.
  - bambax 3y ago
    Here's a patch for "Complex-1", an attempt by Reason to do a modular synth: https://cdm.link/app/uploads/2018/12/cables.png https://cdm.link/app/uploads/2018/12/cables.png Given the nature of that synth, there may not be a better way to do this, but it's still far from clear what does what at a glance, or even after staring at it for a while.
    - PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
      The old EMS hardware synths (and it bigger cousins) that used a pin matrix were often said to be much easier to grok than systems with cables.
      - Blackthorn 3y ago
        On that note there's a modern hardware synth that uses a pin matrix still -- Eaganmatrix (used in the Continuum and the Osmose). IDK, some people say it's really hard to understand, but I think the pin matrix they use actually works really well.

jcelerier 3y ago

ossia score (https://ossia.io https://ossia.io) also uses a patching interface for audio/video/etc plug-ins, I'm curious about what you think of it

Blackthorn 3y ago
Honestly I can't say! It's just way beyond what I'm used to, with its multimedia focus. I'll need to check it out some more, which looks fun.

fb03 3y ago

There's the excellent (and open source) Bespoke Synth. https://www.bespokesynth.com/ https://www.bespokesynth.com/ https://youtu.be/NnrStjS4NhU https://youtu.be/NnrStjS4NhU

PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago

> skeumorphic interface to things like music and synthesis There's a lot in Rack that isn't skeuomorphic. Really, a very big lot. In fact, even the patching process is only barely skeuomorphic - it doesn't obey the laws of physics in several different ways. Reaper has no modular environment at all, so "connecting VSTs" is not really a thing in that context - the data flow is almost always linear.

Blackthorn 3y ago
Skeumorphic doesn't mean 1:1, it just means very much like it from a design perspective. Obviously, patch cables in real life aren't polyphonic. > Reaper has no modular environment at all, so "connecting VSTs" is not really a thing in that context - the data flow is almost always linear. It most certainly does. The VSTs that sit in the fx chains are the modules. Parallel fx chains in the same track are handled by a (quite terrible) pin based system. Then beyond that there's the usual sends and side chains.
- PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
  From my perspective (as a Rack user and developer of Ardour, another DAW), you're somewhat stretching the definition of a modular environment there.
  - Blackthorn 3y ago
    That's fair. I also think people would be more eager to do wacky vst routing in Reaper if the interface supported it somewhat better.
    - PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
      I've considered merging all of Cardinal or Rack into Ardour as something similar to Logic's "Environment" or Bitwig's "grid" We could do that because we're all GPL'ed projects, and can thus share code easily.

bambax 3y ago

> Only FL Studio gets this right Reason has racks and cables, if that's your thing. Personnally, I like Reason's synths, but I don't find connectiong virtual cables on a screen super intuitive, or practical. After a while it's difficult to see what goes where. Reaper is much less "sexy" but much clearer, IMHO.

Blackthorn 3y ago
With connected cables, you can see at a glance what feeds into what. I can't imagine anyone being able to do the same with reaper's in/out pin matrix.
- bambax 3y ago
  Here's a patch for "Complex-1", an attempt by Reason to do a modular synth: https://cdm.link/app/uploads/2018/12/cables.png https://cdm.link/app/uploads/2018/12/cables.png Given the nature of that synth, there may not be a better way to do this, but it's still far from clear what does what at a glance, or even after staring at it for a while.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
    The old EMS hardware synths (and it bigger cousins) that used a pin matrix were often said to be much easier to grok than systems with cables.
    - Blackthorn 3y ago
      On that note there's a modern hardware synth that uses a pin matrix still -- Eaganmatrix (used in the Continuum and the Osmose). IDK, some people say it's really hard to understand, but I think the pin matrix they use actually works really well.