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Eh, both Google and Microsoft have been using dirty tactics against each other for awhile. Remember the entire reason Microsoft scrapped their own browser engi

Eh, both Google and Microsoft have been using dirty tactics against each other for awhile. Remember the entire reason Microsoft scrapped their own browser engine was because Google kept breaking YouTube video acceleration in Edge/IE.

jacooper 3y ago
And how google killed windows phone on purpose
- themoonisachees 3y ago
  Unclear as to how but as a windows phone user (there were dozens of us!) I say good riddance.
  - dannyw 3y ago
    Borking things like google maps and email based on windows phone user agent when it works fine if you change the user agent.
FormerBandmate 3y ago
They’re both wrong
- Spivak 3y ago
  Yes but in this specific case Google is more wrong. MS implemented a security feature where user applications aren't allowed to change the default browser. You can disagree with it and it's sketchy as hell but it's there and supposedly to prevent the bundled-with-java problem. Breaking it is basically guaranteed to lead to plugging the hole and blacklisting the misbehaving app is easier than getting out the real fix. You can be all like "rebel chrome is taking on big operating system" and that's fine and makes total sense but "how dare MS enforce their own rule" is a weird take. You can't be like "hey, they weren't supposed to do it back" when you intentionally abuse your elevated privs to bypass security measures.
  - laserbeam 3y ago
    This kind of sounds true in a vacuum. Unfortunately we're not talking about a security thing in a vacuum. We're talking about 2 browsers, both of which are just making the user experience horrible in slightly different ways. Therefore all users are losers in this pre-school food fight.
    - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
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      - josephg 3y ago
        Microsoft would be pulling these stunts against Firefox too if it were more popular.
- chillfox 3y ago
  Absolutely, I recommend neither.
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toast0 3y ago
It doesn't hurt that (old) Edge had a worse UX than IE. The rendering was nicer, but I do not need a browser where back/forward/stop etc all just queue up and wait for the rendering engine to finish. The whole point is the page is taking too long to render and I want out.
nroets 3y ago
YouTube frequently need to update their anti scraping and anti piracy tech. There could be valid reasons why they don't inform Microsoft of the changes. Microsoft cannot market they OS as developer friendly and then take steps against a specific developer.
revelio 3y ago
No, technically the issue that was supposedly the straw that broke the camel's back was simply placing a transparent div on top of the video. That is not an entirely unreasonable thing to do on a video player that supports overlays captions and other features. The reality is it didn't really make any sense to develop a competing browser from scratch when they could simply fork Chrome instead.
- azangru 3y ago
  > it didn't really make any sense to develop a competing browser from scratch I don't think they were doing it from scratch. Their scratch happened all the way back.
atoav 3y ago
Sorry, but I have had it with Microsoft. They produce an operating system. If I decide to use $browser treat me as an adult and actually let me use $browser. Or you know, make it extra hard to change the default application and "forget" what I told you every now and then, bring that edge icon back to the task bar after every update etc. It is not a platform that can be trusted. And maybe in 2023 there is value in a digital platform that can be trusted.
- bobmaxup 3y ago
  > They produce an operating system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_software
- chillfox 3y ago
  I have had it with both of them. I even moved my gaming computer over to Linux because I got tired of the constantly resetting defaults, I have been using Firefox and you.com (search engine) for a while.

jacooper 3y ago

And how google killed windows phone on purpose

themoonisachees 3y ago
Unclear as to how but as a windows phone user (there were dozens of us!) I say good riddance.
- dannyw 3y ago
  Borking things like google maps and email based on windows phone user agent when it works fine if you change the user agent.

FormerBandmate 3y ago

They’re both wrong

Spivak 3y ago
Yes but in this specific case Google is more wrong. MS implemented a security feature where user applications aren't allowed to change the default browser. You can disagree with it and it's sketchy as hell but it's there and supposedly to prevent the bundled-with-java problem. Breaking it is basically guaranteed to lead to plugging the hole and blacklisting the misbehaving app is easier than getting out the real fix. You can be all like "rebel chrome is taking on big operating system" and that's fine and makes total sense but "how dare MS enforce their own rule" is a weird take. You can't be like "hey, they weren't supposed to do it back" when you intentionally abuse your elevated privs to bypass security measures.
- laserbeam 3y ago
  This kind of sounds true in a vacuum. Unfortunately we're not talking about a security thing in a vacuum. We're talking about 2 browsers, both of which are just making the user experience horrible in slightly different ways. Therefore all users are losers in this pre-school food fight.
  - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
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    - josephg 3y ago
      Microsoft would be pulling these stunts against Firefox too if it were more popular.
chillfox 3y ago
Absolutely, I recommend neither.

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toast0 3y ago

It doesn't hurt that (old) Edge had a worse UX than IE. The rendering was nicer, but I do not need a browser where back/forward/stop etc all just queue up and wait for the rendering engine to finish. The whole point is the page is taking too long to render and I want out.

nroets 3y ago

YouTube frequently need to update their anti scraping and anti piracy tech. There could be valid reasons why they don't inform Microsoft of the changes. Microsoft cannot market they OS as developer friendly and then take steps against a specific developer.

revelio 3y ago

No, technically the issue that was supposedly the straw that broke the camel's back was simply placing a transparent div on top of the video. That is not an entirely unreasonable thing to do on a video player that supports overlays captions and other features. The reality is it didn't really make any sense to develop a competing browser from scratch when they could simply fork Chrome instead.

azangru 3y ago
> it didn't really make any sense to develop a competing browser from scratch I don't think they were doing it from scratch. Their scratch happened all the way back.

atoav 3y ago

Sorry, but I have had it with Microsoft. They produce an operating system. If I decide to use $browser treat me as an adult and actually let me use $browser. Or you know, make it extra hard to change the default application and "forget" what I told you every now and then, bring that edge icon back to the task bar after every update etc. It is not a platform that can be trusted. And maybe in 2023 there is value in a digital platform that can be trusted.

bobmaxup 3y ago
> They produce an operating system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_software
chillfox 3y ago
I have had it with both of them. I even moved my gaming computer over to Linux because I got tired of the constantly resetting defaults, I have been using Firefox and you.com (search engine) for a while.