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Soon the elite will have amassed enough power through technology that they could put down any revolution. This terrifies me tbh. The most dangerous innovation

by im3w1l 4y ago

Soon the elite will have amassed enough power through technology that they could put down any revolution. This terrifies me tbh. The most dangerous innovation in this regard is advances in brain scanning is it could make it trivially easy to find the resistance. But robots and AI are factors too. If the rich don't need the labor of the poor it will certainly shift the balance of power.

darrenringstadt 4y ago
Even one where we just unplug the machines we have? There are only 1 million sworn LEO in the US, and they work for a paycheck, not loyalty to Jamie Dimon and company. You think those cops are going to bat for former oligarchs versus a population with 3 guns per adult at ready?
jrumbut 4y ago
> most dangerous innovation in this regard is advances in brain scanning What terrifies me more than the idea of brain scanning that works is the (IMO more likely) deployment of "brain scanning" that doesn't work (but is used anyway) and creating a 21st century witch hunt. AI is very impressive, but people are getting so used to it performing magic that they believe it can do anything while preserving the veneer of objectivity that algorithms earned in the pre-ML days.
- revolvingocelot 4y ago
  It won't matter if the "brain scanning" actually works or not. Examining the history and effectiveness of polygraphs is enlightening -- even now, polygraphs are used as though they are effective, and in a different light, are an example of an intimidation tactic.
- nickfromseattle 4y ago
  LLMs have led to significant advancements in brain scanning. [0] [0]https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1354ju1/scientists_use_gpt_llm_to_passively_decode_human/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1354ju1/scientists...
sangnoir 4y ago
> Soon the elite will have amassed enough power through technology that they could put down any revolution. As long as the elite still need other lower-class humans, e.g. chauffeurs, nannies and cooks, or security, the revolution can still get to them. If the chaos so many rich preppers are gearing for comes to pass - their wealth won't protect them. As this[0] article points out: in an apocalypse, there will be nothing stopping their armed ex-special-forces security guards from taking over their New Zealand compounds and throwing them out - or worse. Their status as elites is preserved by the very institutions they are undermining. 0. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prepper-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prep...
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > long as the elite still need other lower-class humans, e.g. chauffeurs, nannies and cooks, or security Isn’t this the point of the fears of AI and automation? A truly sovereign individual, singular, against all others.
  - htag 4y ago
    If AI and Automation make it so things like nutrition, traveling, security, and shelter don't require humans than wouldn't that mean it's easier to provide these basics to everyone?
    - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
      Power tends to concentrate. As democracy had to force itself into existence, so will horizontal AI. The natural condition is automated dictatorship.
    - heavyset_go 4y ago
      The people who own the automation are not interested in sharing. If the choice was between providing basics for others or letting them die in the streets, they'll choose the latter. It's a choice that plays out everyday.

by im3w1l 4y ago

darrenringstadt 4y ago

Even one where we just unplug the machines we have? There are only 1 million sworn LEO in the US, and they work for a paycheck, not loyalty to Jamie Dimon and company. You think those cops are going to bat for former oligarchs versus a population with 3 guns per adult at ready?

jrumbut 4y ago

> most dangerous innovation in this regard is advances in brain scanning What terrifies me more than the idea of brain scanning that works is the (IMO more likely) deployment of "brain scanning" that doesn't work (but is used anyway) and creating a 21st century witch hunt. AI is very impressive, but people are getting so used to it performing magic that they believe it can do anything while preserving the veneer of objectivity that algorithms earned in the pre-ML days.

revolvingocelot 4y ago
It won't matter if the "brain scanning" actually works or not. Examining the history and effectiveness of polygraphs is enlightening -- even now, polygraphs are used as though they are effective, and in a different light, are an example of an intimidation tactic.
nickfromseattle 4y ago
LLMs have led to significant advancements in brain scanning. [0] [0]https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1354ju1/scientists_use_gpt_llm_to_passively_decode_human/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1354ju1/scientists...

sangnoir 4y ago

> Soon the elite will have amassed enough power through technology that they could put down any revolution. As long as the elite still need other lower-class humans, e.g. chauffeurs, nannies and cooks, or security, the revolution can still get to them. If the chaos so many rich preppers are gearing for comes to pass - their wealth won't protect them. As this[0] article points out: in an apocalypse, there will be nothing stopping their armed ex-special-forces security guards from taking over their New Zealand compounds and throwing them out - or worse. Their status as elites is preserved by the very institutions they are undermining. 0. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prepper-bunkers-apocalypse-survival-richest-rushkoff https://www.theguardian.com/news/2022/sep/04/super-rich-prep...

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> long as the elite still need other lower-class humans, e.g. chauffeurs, nannies and cooks, or security Isn’t this the point of the fears of AI and automation? A truly sovereign individual, singular, against all others.
- htag 4y ago
  If AI and Automation make it so things like nutrition, traveling, security, and shelter don't require humans than wouldn't that mean it's easier to provide these basics to everyone?
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    Power tends to concentrate. As democracy had to force itself into existence, so will horizontal AI. The natural condition is automated dictatorship.
  - heavyset_go 4y ago
    The people who own the automation are not interested in sharing. If the choice was between providing basics for others or letting them die in the streets, they'll choose the latter. It's a choice that plays out everyday.