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It's funny, every now and then (at least in gaming circles) there is always some fanboy yelling "but MS isn't the old evil company as they were, look, they did

by ilyt 4y ago

It's funny, every now and then (at least in gaming circles) there is always some fanboy yelling "but MS isn't the old evil company as they were, look, they did X or Y". But it's just same bullshit under new manager. MS. MS never changes.

userbinator 4y ago
I prefer the "old evil" MS. At least they weren't so eager to participate in massive surveillance of their users, unlike the "new" MS.
- ilyt 4y ago
  Oh that's only because tech wasn't there yet, 90's MS would totally do.
  - userbinator 4y ago
    Back then, they wanted to be selling a product, not turning users into the product.
  - type0 4y ago
    wrong, the tech was there, but users' expectations weren't - it's a sad state of affairs really
  - monocasa 4y ago
    So, total rumor, but I've heard from a few sources on the grapevine that one of the reasons for their antitrust spat with the DoJ was actually as a proxy battle, and the main thing the DoJ cared about was Microsoft's unwillingness to play ball wrt data collection and "lawful intercept". The sense I've gotten is that Microsoft of the time really did have a very libertarian core thought process that wasn't really into spying on it's users.
    - marlor 4y ago
      Yes. That is indeed a total rumour.
    - JohnFen 4y ago
      > The sense I've gotten is that Microsoft of the time really did have a very libertarian core thought process that wasn't really into spying on it's users. I think this sense is mistaken. Microsoft has always been pretty hostile to users and not so keen on things like user rights. Their customers were (and still are) businesses.
  - raxxorraxor 4y ago
    The tech was there but there were much stronger objections to apps plucking random data from devices and send it to corporations for evaluations. And developers are as guilty here. Yes, there can be benefits to diagnostics, but then you failed to acknowledge what this data collection is about.
climb_stealth 4y ago
> MS. MS never changes. I'm going to assume that you intended this to be read in the Fallout voice [0]. [0] https://youtu.be/uPMyttdUvfg https://youtu.be/uPMyttdUvfg

by ilyt 4y ago

userbinator 4y ago

I prefer the "old evil" MS. At least they weren't so eager to participate in massive surveillance of their users, unlike the "new" MS.

ilyt 4y ago
Oh that's only because tech wasn't there yet, 90's MS would totally do.
- userbinator 4y ago
  Back then, they wanted to be selling a product, not turning users into the product.
- type0 4y ago
  wrong, the tech was there, but users' expectations weren't - it's a sad state of affairs really
- monocasa 4y ago
  So, total rumor, but I've heard from a few sources on the grapevine that one of the reasons for their antitrust spat with the DoJ was actually as a proxy battle, and the main thing the DoJ cared about was Microsoft's unwillingness to play ball wrt data collection and "lawful intercept". The sense I've gotten is that Microsoft of the time really did have a very libertarian core thought process that wasn't really into spying on it's users.
  - marlor 4y ago
    Yes. That is indeed a total rumour.
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    > The sense I've gotten is that Microsoft of the time really did have a very libertarian core thought process that wasn't really into spying on it's users. I think this sense is mistaken. Microsoft has always been pretty hostile to users and not so keen on things like user rights. Their customers were (and still are) businesses.
- raxxorraxor 4y ago
  The tech was there but there were much stronger objections to apps plucking random data from devices and send it to corporations for evaluations. And developers are as guilty here. Yes, there can be benefits to diagnostics, but then you failed to acknowledge what this data collection is about.

climb_stealth 4y ago

> MS. MS never changes. I'm going to assume that you intended this to be read in the Fallout voice [0]. [0] https://youtu.be/uPMyttdUvfg https://youtu.be/uPMyttdUvfg