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I love violent revolutions, they always lead to lovely results where ever or whenever they occur.

by geodel 4y ago

mitthrowaway2 4y ago
(GP's comment does not appear to be advocating for violent revolutions.)
thebradbain 4y ago
Well, they usually end up with the people everyone was most angry at for causing the circumstances that lead up to the revolution powerless or dead, as an explicit aim. So regardless of who ends up in charge after or if that regime succeeds, you can’t say revolutions themselves are not frighteningly effective. After all, every existing country on earth is the result of a revolution against the leaders of its past.
- AnimalMuppet 4y ago
  Depends on whether the real goal is "kill those people" or "make a better life for the rest of us". The first is easy; the second is harder.
  - autoexec 4y ago
    I assume it often starts with "kill those people" and once that nasty business is out of the way and new people are selected to replace them there's a very strongly implied "Now you people make a better life for the rest of us, or else we will go back to the 'kill those people' step and repeat as needed."
- ALittleLight 4y ago
  I think you're confusing successful revolutions with revolutions. Way more likely the revolutionaries succeed in doing a bit of damage and get crushed.
- deleted 4y ago
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flangola7 4y ago
Definitely should not have shot at those redcoats
- neurobama 4y ago
  You jest, but strong arguments have been made on both sides of that counter-factual. Popular narratives of the American Revolution leave much unsaid. Contemporary accounts of inciting events such as the Boston Massacre were often gross distortions or plain lies. The Townshend Acts were meant to tax the colonies to recoup the cost of their own defense, after the French and Indian War kicked off arguably due to Washington's poor French and inexperienced military leadership: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jumonville_Glen#Aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jumonville_Glen#Afte...
cool_dude85 4y ago
How is the status quo working out for people in Haiti or Palestine or Sub-Saharan Africa? Lovely results, I expect?
- marcusverus 4y ago
  Fantastic results! Check out how GDP per capita is trending in those areas. It has doubled in Palestine and Haiti over the last couple of decades, and is way up for many sub-Saharan African countries. Funny that you'd pick those areas and not Asia, where a billion people were lifted out of absolute poverty in the last 30 years! Pure chance, I'm sure.
  - 27fingies 4y ago
    might be worth looking at the 200 years before that
  - shkkmo 4y ago
    > It has doubled in Palestine and Haiti over the last couple of decades, and is way up for many sub-Saharan African countries. https://tradingeconomics.com/haiti/gdp-per-capita https://tradingeconomics.com/haiti/gdp-per-capita The actual facts don't match your rosey summary. Haiti has faced 4 straight years of a shrinking economy and the GDP per capita is at one of it's lowest points in the last 60 years. Yes, many people have been lifted out of poverty but it has happened alongside increasing inequality and there have been some very notable failures and Haiti is one of them.
    - marcusverus 4y ago
      Wrong. World bank data shows Haiti's GDP per capita has more than doubled since 2000. [0] You anti-capitalists have already caused a century of misery and wont--can't you just admit defeat? Haiti is the perfect example of the extraordinary benefits of our system. 40% can't read. 60% lack access to electricity. Yet even they can't escape the bounty of global capitalist system! It's over. Capitalism won, for the benefit of all of humanity. [0] https://data.worldbank.org/country/haiti https://data.worldbank.org/country/haiti
darrenringstadt 4y ago
Human existence is meaningless to the universe so you know; if our existence is to be treated as such I would rather have front row seats to the apocalypse than work a rote office job another 20 years
selimthegrim 4y ago
I’m assuming this is lovely in the SomethingAwful bowdlerized sense
marcusverus 4y ago
Yes! Rest assured that there is no historical reason to fear "unintended consequences". The very idea is a reactionary dog-whistle.
__MatrixMan__ 4y ago
Aye, like the metric system

I love violent revolutions, they always lead to lovely results where ever or whenever they occur.

by geodel 4y ago

I love violent revolutions, they always lead to lovely results where ever or whenever they occur.

mitthrowaway2 4y ago

(GP's comment does not appear to be advocating for violent revolutions.)

thebradbain 4y ago

Well, they usually end up with the people everyone was most angry at for causing the circumstances that lead up to the revolution powerless or dead, as an explicit aim. So regardless of who ends up in charge after or if that regime succeeds, you can’t say revolutions themselves are not frighteningly effective. After all, every existing country on earth is the result of a revolution against the leaders of its past.

AnimalMuppet 4y ago
Depends on whether the real goal is "kill those people" or "make a better life for the rest of us". The first is easy; the second is harder.
- autoexec 4y ago
  I assume it often starts with "kill those people" and once that nasty business is out of the way and new people are selected to replace them there's a very strongly implied "Now you people make a better life for the rest of us, or else we will go back to the 'kill those people' step and repeat as needed."
ALittleLight 4y ago
I think you're confusing successful revolutions with revolutions. Way more likely the revolutionaries succeed in doing a bit of damage and get crushed.
deleted 4y ago
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flangola7 4y ago

Definitely should not have shot at those redcoats

neurobama 4y ago
You jest, but strong arguments have been made on both sides of that counter-factual. Popular narratives of the American Revolution leave much unsaid. Contemporary accounts of inciting events such as the Boston Massacre were often gross distortions or plain lies. The Townshend Acts were meant to tax the colonies to recoup the cost of their own defense, after the French and Indian War kicked off arguably due to Washington's poor French and inexperienced military leadership: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jumonville_Glen#Aftermath https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jumonville_Glen#Afte...

cool_dude85 4y ago

How is the status quo working out for people in Haiti or Palestine or Sub-Saharan Africa? Lovely results, I expect?

marcusverus 4y ago
Fantastic results! Check out how GDP per capita is trending in those areas. It has doubled in Palestine and Haiti over the last couple of decades, and is way up for many sub-Saharan African countries. Funny that you'd pick those areas and not Asia, where a billion people were lifted out of absolute poverty in the last 30 years! Pure chance, I'm sure.
- 27fingies 4y ago
  might be worth looking at the 200 years before that
- shkkmo 4y ago
  > It has doubled in Palestine and Haiti over the last couple of decades, and is way up for many sub-Saharan African countries. https://tradingeconomics.com/haiti/gdp-per-capita https://tradingeconomics.com/haiti/gdp-per-capita The actual facts don't match your rosey summary. Haiti has faced 4 straight years of a shrinking economy and the GDP per capita is at one of it's lowest points in the last 60 years. Yes, many people have been lifted out of poverty but it has happened alongside increasing inequality and there have been some very notable failures and Haiti is one of them.
  - marcusverus 4y ago
    Wrong. World bank data shows Haiti's GDP per capita has more than doubled since 2000. [0] You anti-capitalists have already caused a century of misery and wont--can't you just admit defeat? Haiti is the perfect example of the extraordinary benefits of our system. 40% can't read. 60% lack access to electricity. Yet even they can't escape the bounty of global capitalist system! It's over. Capitalism won, for the benefit of all of humanity. [0] https://data.worldbank.org/country/haiti https://data.worldbank.org/country/haiti

darrenringstadt 4y ago

Human existence is meaningless to the universe so you know; if our existence is to be treated as such I would rather have front row seats to the apocalypse than work a rote office job another 20 years

selimthegrim 4y ago

I’m assuming this is lovely in the SomethingAwful bowdlerized sense

marcusverus 4y ago

Yes! Rest assured that there is no historical reason to fear "unintended consequences". The very idea is a reactionary dog-whistle.

__MatrixMan__ 4y ago

Aye, like the metric system