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I'm glad someone brought this up. I'm the CEO of Tile and we launched an anti-theft feature for this reason. We allow you to turn off anti-stalking features if

I'm glad someone brought this up. I'm the CEO of Tile and we launched an anti-theft feature for this reason. We allow you to turn off anti-stalking features if you agree to strict penalties for misuse and verify yourself with a real ID. https://chrishulls.medium.com/tile-is-taking-a-different-approach-to-the-bluetooth-industrys-theft-and-stalking-problems-bd92d3ae4f3c https://chrishulls.medium.com/tile-is-taking-a-different-app...

true_religion 3y ago
Apple in most cases already has our real ID. And stalkers are already determined to commit crimes. Agreeing to civil penalties isn’t going to deter someone who already doesn’t fear criminal imprisonment.
- alfalfasprout 3y ago
  And those stalkers could just buy any other GPS tracker out there which would be more effective than an airtag anyways. It's all just posturing by Apple and all to the detriment of 99.99% of their user base.
sleepybrett 3y ago
How much customer data are you giving to your corporate owners? How much are you selling to third parties? How much are your owners selling to third parties?
sigmar 3y ago
How do you verify the government ID used belongs to the person disabling the anti-stalker feature? There's a huge market for fake state IDs and stolen/leaked photos of various gov't IDs
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  Seems like a pretty unrealistic bar to set. You can use government ID to empty a bank account and air and tile stocking seems way lower Stakes.
  - sigmar 3y ago
    Checking an ID in person is a bit different than uploading a picture of it. US IDs are designed for in person verification with security features like holograms, laser perforations and microprinting. Also don't think it's a high bar if they're allowed to use one ID to unlock multiple tiles
    - s1artibartfast 3y ago
      We just might not be able to see eye to eye on this You can do a tremendous amount of banking with a scanned photo ID. Furthermore, the use case we're talking about here is disabling third-party detection for a tile you already have.
alfalfasprout 3y ago
Thank you for this. We switched back to Tile specifically because Apple's anti-stalking features make it impossible to eg; share keys. For any household with several cars this is an obvious must-have. Not to mention most people want to, you know, be able to track something that got stolen.
7speter 3y ago
Wow this should be higher up. Also, have you tried emailing someone in Adams' office?

true_religion 3y ago

Apple in most cases already has our real ID. And stalkers are already determined to commit crimes. Agreeing to civil penalties isn’t going to deter someone who already doesn’t fear criminal imprisonment.

alfalfasprout 3y ago
And those stalkers could just buy any other GPS tracker out there which would be more effective than an airtag anyways. It's all just posturing by Apple and all to the detriment of 99.99% of their user base.

sleepybrett 3y ago

How much customer data are you giving to your corporate owners? How much are you selling to third parties? How much are your owners selling to third parties?

sigmar 3y ago

How do you verify the government ID used belongs to the person disabling the anti-stalker feature? There's a huge market for fake state IDs and stolen/leaked photos of various gov't IDs

s1artibartfast 3y ago
Seems like a pretty unrealistic bar to set. You can use government ID to empty a bank account and air and tile stocking seems way lower Stakes.
- sigmar 3y ago
  Checking an ID in person is a bit different than uploading a picture of it. US IDs are designed for in person verification with security features like holograms, laser perforations and microprinting. Also don't think it's a high bar if they're allowed to use one ID to unlock multiple tiles
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    We just might not be able to see eye to eye on this You can do a tremendous amount of banking with a scanned photo ID. Furthermore, the use case we're talking about here is disabling third-party detection for a tile you already have.

alfalfasprout 3y ago

Thank you for this. We switched back to Tile specifically because Apple's anti-stalking features make it impossible to eg; share keys. For any household with several cars this is an obvious must-have. Not to mention most people want to, you know, be able to track something that got stolen.

7speter 3y ago

Wow this should be higher up. Also, have you tried emailing someone in Adams' office?