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Way late to this, but to me this ultimately comes down to: "How do we handle the negative externalities that access to the worlds information at our fingertips

Way late to this, but to me this ultimately comes down to: "How do we handle the negative externalities that access to the worlds information at our fingertips has caused?" In theory parents are responsible for general outcomes of their children. However, do you expect non-tech, and realistically, non security/networking people to have the toolset to understand how to set up their networks and their devices to block access to this content? It's already a hard problem to solve in enterprise, or at least non Gov/Defense enterprises (hello Bluecoat?). A company has no incentive to block users from their content like this unless their is a negative effect from letting someone view it who shouldn't. They say "you're the parent block it". It's almost as if a child walked into a bar and said "give me a beer" and the bartender did. Then didn't get in trouble because "the parent should have stopped it".

gremlinsinc 3y ago
> They say "you're the parent block it". It's almost as if a child walked into a bar and said "give me a beer" and the bartender did. Then didn't get in trouble because "the parent should have stopped it". no, this is more like dad bringing home beers, the kids get into it, and they try to go after the store or beer manufacturer. I mean it's still happening generally under a parents roof, likely in their own homes and I'm there's already plenty of tools out there to block shit like this, at least on WiFi and I'm sure mobile devices could also block it. This ban is more about the states' religious undertones than anything. fyi, I live in Utah and used to be Mormon.
- wyldberry 3y ago
  I literally sit in cybersecurty chat channels where people who know tons still cannot get the "plenty of tools" to block this to work correctly. The ones that do have spent thousands on equipment and monitoring capabilities. You don't even come in with examples of how to do it properly, let alone for non-swe/network engineer/ families to do it. Just hand-waving away "i'm sure mobile devices could". It's nothing like a parent bringing home the beers. In order to participate in education and social life your kids need access to the internet and devices. You parents are giving you a tool to do a job that comes with a negative externality of being able to access adult websites (and anything else on the internet). It's not ridiculous for parents to vote for representatives who will put legal blocks in place to force a change since there's no way to vote with your dollar here, even if the source is religion where making children is a core tenant. I'm very familiar with living with LDS. I'm in Idaho.

gremlinsinc 3y ago

> They say "you're the parent block it". It's almost as if a child walked into a bar and said "give me a beer" and the bartender did. Then didn't get in trouble because "the parent should have stopped it". no, this is more like dad bringing home beers, the kids get into it, and they try to go after the store or beer manufacturer. I mean it's still happening generally under a parents roof, likely in their own homes and I'm there's already plenty of tools out there to block shit like this, at least on WiFi and I'm sure mobile devices could also block it. This ban is more about the states' religious undertones than anything. fyi, I live in Utah and used to be Mormon.

wyldberry 3y ago
I literally sit in cybersecurty chat channels where people who know tons still cannot get the "plenty of tools" to block this to work correctly. The ones that do have spent thousands on equipment and monitoring capabilities. You don't even come in with examples of how to do it properly, let alone for non-swe/network engineer/ families to do it. Just hand-waving away "i'm sure mobile devices could". It's nothing like a parent bringing home the beers. In order to participate in education and social life your kids need access to the internet and devices. You parents are giving you a tool to do a job that comes with a negative externality of being able to access adult websites (and anything else on the internet). It's not ridiculous for parents to vote for representatives who will put legal blocks in place to force a change since there's no way to vote with your dollar here, even if the source is religion where making children is a core tenant. I'm very familiar with living with LDS. I'm in Idaho.