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Congrats, you are the problem. Half of my hardworking, law-abiding immigrant community of doctors, engineers, and scientists were on the_donald. These are peop

Congrats, you are the problem. Half of my hardworking, law-abiding immigrant community of doctors, engineers, and scientists were on the_donald. These are people who’ve actually faced hate in this country and who likely have way more exposure to people of different races & backgrounds than the average American. If that does nothing to make you reevaluate your opinion, then you are sadly and ironically a victim of divisive indoctrination. Edit: For context, the parent advocated banning users from an entire subreddit as a sound moderation strategy.

seattle_spring 3y ago
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- confoundcofound 3y ago
  Its worst content was no worse than what you saw (and still see) on other subreddits. You would be disingenuous to not acknowledge the political forces at play. Mods were on high alert because they knew admins were waiting for the most microscopic of reasons to ban the sub. And we know these forces exist. Twitter is proof positive of political bias in content moderation. People of all backgrounds were on the_donald, which should make you question why they were tolerant of much of the content you likely perceived as hateful. If your answer is simply that they’re bigots, then I suggest you have more conversations.
  - seattle_spring 3y ago
    Which political subreddit calls their opponents “fucking cuck” or equivalent with extreme regularity? For the record, this is devolving into a flame war and that wasn’t my intention. I suggest this stops here.
    - confoundcofound 3y ago
      I’m going to assume you’re responding in good faith. “Fucking cuck” is honest-to-god no worse than the numerous insults I’ve seen hurled at conservatives by left-leaning subs. I’m a little surprised that’s the worst you could come up with.
michaelmrose 3y ago
Trump did very poorly with the highly educated and with minorities so it wouldn't be shocking to find the intersection was even worse. For instance 8% of black college grads in 2020 and 30% of Hispanic college grads. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/pp_2021-06-30_validated-voters_00-03/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-biden... Doctors had amazing voter turn out in 2020. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2787772 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... I couldn't find an analysis of how they actually voted in 2020 but only 26% voted for Trump in 2016 before he bungled the pandemic https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/873266 https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/873266 Then there is the fact that a number of doctors think pre-covid trump already was in need of mental health help https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/13/health/trump-mental-health-exam/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/13/health/trump-mental-health-ex... Only 15% supported a repeal of Obamacare heavily promoted by Trump before the worst public health crisis in my lifetime. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-obamacare-doctor-survey-idUKKBN15A2HJ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-obamacare-doctor-s... Far from it being half of America it looks like a small fraction of educated folks and minorities and a large helping of mostly uneducated white folks. If anything the fact that he has any support at all from educated people in America proves that being an expert in one field doesn't necessarily make you wise.
- confoundcofound 3y ago
  Yes, I’ve seen the stats. Let me ask: Do you think all 30% of college-educated Hispanics who voted for Trump were wholly misguided? Do you believe none of them had legitimate reasons for supporting him? How about the 8% of black college grads, or the 26% of doctors? None of these people were competent enough to make an informed decision?
  - michaelmrose 3y ago
    This seems like a fairly obvious yes since his performance is no longer hypothetical. Donald Trump is a mentally impaired bigot who combines inattention to detail, massive ego, inability to select quality underlings, and failure to manage and performed abominably. None of them were competent enough to make an informed decision insofar as the leadership of the nation because they relied on faulty analysis, willful ignorance of Donald's many flaws, and self interest in lower taxes. I'm not sure why this is controversial. The average college educated individual is presumably skilled in their profession but their profession but that is hardly sure to inform their understanding of matters out of scope of that profession. Do you find it surprising that 30% of any group makes poor decisions?
jasonlotito 3y ago
> For context, the parent advocated banning users from an entire subreddit as a sound moderation strategy. It is. 100% it is. If a subreddit shows that it's users continuously abuse the rules of the site, then yes, 100%, it's a sound moderation strategy. Banning regular users of the subreddit and just flushing it all out is sound. > If that does nothing to make you reevaluate your opinion, then you are sadly and ironically a victim of divisive indoctrination. The problem is you are misrepresenting what happened. Reddit didn't just "ban users from an entire subreddit." They didn't just randomly pick a large subreddit and ban all the users. Suggesting that they did that is disingenuous at best. So you can play the victim card all you want, but if you can't be honest about what happened that does nothing to make you reevaluate your opinion, then you are sadly and ironically a victim of divisive indoctrination.
- confoundcofound 3y ago
  Never did I claim it was an arbitrary banning. In fact, it indeed was the opposite. I addressed this in a downstream comment.

seattle_spring 3y ago

confoundcofound 3y ago
Its worst content was no worse than what you saw (and still see) on other subreddits. You would be disingenuous to not acknowledge the political forces at play. Mods were on high alert because they knew admins were waiting for the most microscopic of reasons to ban the sub. And we know these forces exist. Twitter is proof positive of political bias in content moderation. People of all backgrounds were on the_donald, which should make you question why they were tolerant of much of the content you likely perceived as hateful. If your answer is simply that they’re bigots, then I suggest you have more conversations.
- seattle_spring 3y ago
  Which political subreddit calls their opponents “fucking cuck” or equivalent with extreme regularity? For the record, this is devolving into a flame war and that wasn’t my intention. I suggest this stops here.
  - confoundcofound 3y ago
    I’m going to assume you’re responding in good faith. “Fucking cuck” is honest-to-god no worse than the numerous insults I’ve seen hurled at conservatives by left-leaning subs. I’m a little surprised that’s the worst you could come up with.

michaelmrose 3y ago

Trump did very poorly with the highly educated and with minorities so it wouldn't be shocking to find the intersection was even worse. For instance 8% of black college grads in 2020 and 30% of Hispanic college grads. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/pp_2021-06-30_validated-voters_00-03/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-biden... Doctors had amazing voter turn out in 2020. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2787772 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... I couldn't find an analysis of how they actually voted in 2020 but only 26% voted for Trump in 2016 before he bungled the pandemic https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/873266 https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/873266 Then there is the fact that a number of doctors think pre-covid trump already was in need of mental health help https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/13/health/trump-mental-health-exam/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/13/health/trump-mental-health-ex... Only 15% supported a repeal of Obamacare heavily promoted by Trump before the worst public health crisis in my lifetime. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-obamacare-doctor-survey-idUKKBN15A2HJ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-obamacare-doctor-s... Far from it being half of America it looks like a small fraction of educated folks and minorities and a large helping of mostly uneducated white folks. If anything the fact that he has any support at all from educated people in America proves that being an expert in one field doesn't necessarily make you wise.

confoundcofound 3y ago
Yes, I’ve seen the stats. Let me ask: Do you think all 30% of college-educated Hispanics who voted for Trump were wholly misguided? Do you believe none of them had legitimate reasons for supporting him? How about the 8% of black college grads, or the 26% of doctors? None of these people were competent enough to make an informed decision?
- michaelmrose 3y ago
  This seems like a fairly obvious yes since his performance is no longer hypothetical. Donald Trump is a mentally impaired bigot who combines inattention to detail, massive ego, inability to select quality underlings, and failure to manage and performed abominably. None of them were competent enough to make an informed decision insofar as the leadership of the nation because they relied on faulty analysis, willful ignorance of Donald's many flaws, and self interest in lower taxes. I'm not sure why this is controversial. The average college educated individual is presumably skilled in their profession but their profession but that is hardly sure to inform their understanding of matters out of scope of that profession. Do you find it surprising that 30% of any group makes poor decisions?

jasonlotito 3y ago

> For context, the parent advocated banning users from an entire subreddit as a sound moderation strategy. It is. 100% it is. If a subreddit shows that it's users continuously abuse the rules of the site, then yes, 100%, it's a sound moderation strategy. Banning regular users of the subreddit and just flushing it all out is sound. > If that does nothing to make you reevaluate your opinion, then you are sadly and ironically a victim of divisive indoctrination. The problem is you are misrepresenting what happened. Reddit didn't just "ban users from an entire subreddit." They didn't just randomly pick a large subreddit and ban all the users. Suggesting that they did that is disingenuous at best. So you can play the victim card all you want, but if you can't be honest about what happened that does nothing to make you reevaluate your opinion, then you are sadly and ironically a victim of divisive indoctrination.

confoundcofound 3y ago
Never did I claim it was an arbitrary banning. In fact, it indeed was the opposite. I addressed this in a downstream comment.