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From my perspective Mozilla is doing a better job with their browser than Google and Apple are, that's why I use it (despite the market share, I prefer their im

From my perspective Mozilla is doing a better job with their browser than Google and Apple are, that's why I use it (despite the market share, I prefer their implementation of most things compared to alternatives). Everything else is gravy. I'm not sure that the money Mozilla spends on other things would be better spent on the browser... would it realistically close any existing gaps between their competition? Arguably they might even be better off spending it on marketing the browser than any technical metric. I'd rather this kind of thing than marketing.

dkural 4y ago
Genuinely asking: Why do you think Firefox is outperforming Chrome / Safari in your opinion?
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- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
  Not GP, but Firefox runs on every OS I use, Safari does not. Chrome maybe does, but I doubt it.
  - sebzim4500 4y ago
    What OS doesn't run chrome? BSD?
    - mkl 4y ago
      iOS. The browser apps named Chrome and Firefox there are skins over Safari.
    - ibrahima 4y ago
      There are no Chrome builds for Linux on ARM, for instance. (There might be Chromium builds but that won't have the proprietary Google stuff like account sync.)
- micromacrofoot 4y ago
  general usability experience, privacy, color and image rendering (webkit is bad at scaling down without introducing blur for some reason)
- rtsil 4y ago
  Firefox mobile allows me to use uBlock Origin. That alone for me is worth more than any other browser features combined. Now, if I can find how to make it stop opening a new tab every time I enter an URL in the address bar instead of reusing the current tab, the experience would be blissful.
  - zabooby 4y ago
    Settings > General > Tabs > Open links in tabs instead of new windows Is this what you're after?
bleep_bloop 4y ago
Depends on what metrics you are using. Compatibility, APIs, Performance, Firefox is objectively worse than Chrome on all aspects. I like Mozilla as a company and I still use Firefox over Chrome knowing that it is objectively a worse browser and experience because I dislike Google and their business practices and i support businesses that I believe in. I am very much against the monopoly Google has over the web space and their positioning to dictate future web standards that will probably benefit their ad revenue over user experience.
- micromacrofoot 4y ago
  Those are the kind of metrics that look nice on paper, but they've all passed a point where I cease to care about any further improvements.
- OkayPhysicist 4y ago
  I do not remember the last time a website actually failed to work in Firefox. Once in a blue moon I'll come across a site (looking at you, SnapChat) that claims it won't work, but suddenly is just just hunky-dory with a quick User-Agent string swap. We've gotten to a point where if your site doesn't work identically in Firefox and Chrome, you're probably doing something pathological. With regards to APIs, I'm very happy with Firefox's commitment to telling Google to go fuck itself when it comes to Manifest V3 neutering of adblocking.
- wizzwizz4 4y ago
  Chrome's compatibility is 100%, because it's defined in terms of compatibility with Chrome. (Despite the fact took 21 years before Chromium got a limited subset of MathML, when Firefox had it from Mozilla 1.) > I am very much against the monopoly Google has over the web space and their positioning to dictate future web standards Then, to the extent you can, stop using Google-controlled browser engines. Google can only dictate future web "standards" if they're the de-facto standard browser engine… so just refuse to acknowledge them. If you make websites, use stuff that only works in Firefox (and the indie browsers), like Content MathML, or stick to stuff that works in every browser – and by that, I mean clean, semantic HTML. Force Google to play catch-up for once, or make the whole "catch-up" game irrelevant. My favourite such feature is alternate stylesheets. Supported by Firefox, and by basically every CSS-supporting indie browser, but by almost none of the Chromiums.

dkural 4y ago

Genuinely asking: Why do you think Firefox is outperforming Chrome / Safari in your opinion?

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mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
Not GP, but Firefox runs on every OS I use, Safari does not. Chrome maybe does, but I doubt it.
- sebzim4500 4y ago
  What OS doesn't run chrome? BSD?
  - mkl 4y ago
    iOS. The browser apps named Chrome and Firefox there are skins over Safari.
  - ibrahima 4y ago
    There are no Chrome builds for Linux on ARM, for instance. (There might be Chromium builds but that won't have the proprietary Google stuff like account sync.)
micromacrofoot 4y ago
general usability experience, privacy, color and image rendering (webkit is bad at scaling down without introducing blur for some reason)
rtsil 4y ago
Firefox mobile allows me to use uBlock Origin. That alone for me is worth more than any other browser features combined. Now, if I can find how to make it stop opening a new tab every time I enter an URL in the address bar instead of reusing the current tab, the experience would be blissful.
- zabooby 4y ago
  Settings > General > Tabs > Open links in tabs instead of new windows Is this what you're after?

bleep_bloop 4y ago

Depends on what metrics you are using. Compatibility, APIs, Performance, Firefox is objectively worse than Chrome on all aspects. I like Mozilla as a company and I still use Firefox over Chrome knowing that it is objectively a worse browser and experience because I dislike Google and their business practices and i support businesses that I believe in. I am very much against the monopoly Google has over the web space and their positioning to dictate future web standards that will probably benefit their ad revenue over user experience.

micromacrofoot 4y ago
Those are the kind of metrics that look nice on paper, but they've all passed a point where I cease to care about any further improvements.
OkayPhysicist 4y ago
I do not remember the last time a website actually failed to work in Firefox. Once in a blue moon I'll come across a site (looking at you, SnapChat) that claims it won't work, but suddenly is just just hunky-dory with a quick User-Agent string swap. We've gotten to a point where if your site doesn't work identically in Firefox and Chrome, you're probably doing something pathological. With regards to APIs, I'm very happy with Firefox's commitment to telling Google to go fuck itself when it comes to Manifest V3 neutering of adblocking.
wizzwizz4 4y ago
Chrome's compatibility is 100%, because it's defined in terms of compatibility with Chrome. (Despite the fact took 21 years before Chromium got a limited subset of MathML, when Firefox had it from Mozilla 1.) > I am very much against the monopoly Google has over the web space and their positioning to dictate future web standards Then, to the extent you can, stop using Google-controlled browser engines. Google can only dictate future web "standards" if they're the de-facto standard browser engine… so just refuse to acknowledge them. If you make websites, use stuff that only works in Firefox (and the indie browsers), like Content MathML, or stick to stuff that works in every browser – and by that, I mean clean, semantic HTML. Force Google to play catch-up for once, or make the whole "catch-up" game irrelevant. My favourite such feature is alternate stylesheets. Supported by Firefox, and by basically every CSS-supporting indie browser, but by almost none of the Chromiums.