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I feel like the most significant cause of Occupy's burnout was the fact that it was so poorly organized and had no concrete goal. I don't recall any specific le

I feel like the most significant cause of Occupy's burnout was the fact that it was so poorly organized and had no concrete goal. I don't recall any specific legislation or reform that they were calling to enact and there was a cacophony of voices each calling for some kind of societal revolution. Eventually the local Occupy demonstration turned into a homeless encampment with some signs propped alongside the roadway. I certainly won't deny government meddling but I honestly think the movement was doomed from the start.

brodouevencode 3y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahMGoB01qiA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahMGoB01qiA Peter Schiff did a man on the street with some folks of the Occupy movement, and basically proves your point - the desired goals were so scattered and sometimes even contradictory.
smolder 3y ago
When there is concerted effort to undermine a populist movement, that's how it will end up looking: disorganized, chaotic, unproductive, and eventually dead. It very well could have failed due to deliberate interference where it might have had a substantial impact otherwise. How much would you bet that there weren't covert agents working to put it down?
toast0 3y ago
I don't know if it was from infiltration, or what, but one of the biggest talking points of Occupy was that they were a leaderless organization, and they would establish rules of order that required near unanimous consensus to make decisions. That's a great way to avoid making any decisions.
ryandrake 3y ago
I remember this comic that ridiculed the "Occupy Wall Street doesn't have a goal" talking point, one of the many corporate-pushed talking points meant to discredit the movement: [1] 1: https://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/TMW2011-10-12colorlowres.jpg https://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/TMW2011-10-12colorl...
- BitwiseFool 3y ago
  I feel like the movement could have overcome the "corporate talking point" by actually having an organized and focused goal.

brodouevencode 3y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahMGoB01qiA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahMGoB01qiA Peter Schiff did a man on the street with some folks of the Occupy movement, and basically proves your point - the desired goals were so scattered and sometimes even contradictory.

smolder 3y ago

When there is concerted effort to undermine a populist movement, that's how it will end up looking: disorganized, chaotic, unproductive, and eventually dead. It very well could have failed due to deliberate interference where it might have had a substantial impact otherwise. How much would you bet that there weren't covert agents working to put it down?

toast0 3y ago

I don't know if it was from infiltration, or what, but one of the biggest talking points of Occupy was that they were a leaderless organization, and they would establish rules of order that required near unanimous consensus to make decisions. That's a great way to avoid making any decisions.

ryandrake 3y ago

I remember this comic that ridiculed the "Occupy Wall Street doesn't have a goal" talking point, one of the many corporate-pushed talking points meant to discredit the movement: [1] 1: https://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/TMW2011-10-12colorlowres.jpg https://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/TMW2011-10-12colorl...

BitwiseFool 3y ago
I feel like the movement could have overcome the "corporate talking point" by actually having an organized and focused goal.