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To me - as a long term FF user and Mozilla critic - it looks like: Spend money on everything except browser development (>$5 billions!). Market share down the

To me - as a long term FF user and Mozilla critic - it looks like: Spend money on everything except browser development (>$5 billions!). Market share down the drain. Use the market share as an argument for a lost cause and spend money on everything except Browser development. Ladybird - a browser spearheaded by one person - will expose Mozilla of what it is.

leidenfrost 4y ago
I haven't actually looked at it, but I have the feeling that the Firefox code base is godawful and nobody who isn't being paid for a 40 hour weekday actually wants to get involved in it.
- asldkfjaslkdj 4y ago
  oh google pay a LOT of people to do it. Either outright commits by at-google email addresses, or things like summer of code. All to play catch up with the features they shove on chrome.
- tommica 4y ago
  > I haven't actually looked at it, but I have the feeling that the Firefox code base is godawful... Damn, didn't know that one can develop skills to evaluate the quality of a code-base by just "feeling" it and not looking at it at all - quite impressive!
nine_k 4y ago
Firefox the browser is still a great piece of software, literally unique, and also open-source. Do you think any other company / organization would be able to take over it / fork it and develop it adequately? If so, where would they get the money? Many high-profile open-source projects (e.g. Python, Blender, well, Linux itself) managed to secure corporate sponsorships or donations in a much less toxic way than the Mozilla-Google deal.
- rvba 4y ago
  Firefox is not unique. It is a reskin of chrome now.
  - nine_k 4y ago
    You are mistaken. It's an entirely different rendering engine, and an entirely different JS engine. You must be mixing it up with MS Edge.
vxNsr 4y ago
>Ladybird What’s the deal with serenityOS? Can it be run on bare metal yet, last I checked they only have a way to run it in a vm.
- jraph 4y ago
  Yes. The browser, though, is very easy to build, requires few dependencies, a few minutes to build and runs fine on Linux. The result is quite impressive. And experimental.
- gsich 4y ago
  Possible on some devices.
- HeckFeck 4y ago
  The RPi ARM64 port is showing promise, they now have it booting to the desktop.

leidenfrost 4y ago

I haven't actually looked at it, but I have the feeling that the Firefox code base is godawful and nobody who isn't being paid for a 40 hour weekday actually wants to get involved in it.

asldkfjaslkdj 4y ago
oh google pay a LOT of people to do it. Either outright commits by at-google email addresses, or things like summer of code. All to play catch up with the features they shove on chrome.
tommica 4y ago
> I haven't actually looked at it, but I have the feeling that the Firefox code base is godawful... Damn, didn't know that one can develop skills to evaluate the quality of a code-base by just "feeling" it and not looking at it at all - quite impressive!

nine_k 4y ago

Firefox the browser is still a great piece of software, literally unique, and also open-source. Do you think any other company / organization would be able to take over it / fork it and develop it adequately? If so, where would they get the money? Many high-profile open-source projects (e.g. Python, Blender, well, Linux itself) managed to secure corporate sponsorships or donations in a much less toxic way than the Mozilla-Google deal.

rvba 4y ago
Firefox is not unique. It is a reskin of chrome now.
- nine_k 4y ago
  You are mistaken. It's an entirely different rendering engine, and an entirely different JS engine. You must be mixing it up with MS Edge.

vxNsr 4y ago

>Ladybird What’s the deal with serenityOS? Can it be run on bare metal yet, last I checked they only have a way to run it in a vm.

jraph 4y ago
Yes. The browser, though, is very easy to build, requires few dependencies, a few minutes to build and runs fine on Linux. The result is quite impressive. And experimental.
gsich 4y ago
Possible on some devices.
HeckFeck 4y ago
The RPi ARM64 port is showing promise, they now have it booting to the desktop.