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That’s because OpenAI can use any data that you send to chatgpt for training purposes. [0] They don’t do it with their APIs btw. “(c) Use of Content to Improve

That’s because OpenAI can use any data that you send to chatgpt for training purposes. [0] They don’t do it with their APIs btw. “(c) Use of Content to Improve Services. We do not use Content that you provide to or receive from our API (“API Content”) to develop or improve our Services. We may use Content from Services other than our API (“Non-API Content”) to help develop and improve our Services. You can read more here about how Non-API Content may be used to improve model performance.” [0] https://openai.com/policies/terms-of-use https://openai.com/policies/terms-of-use

LightBug1 3y ago
I'm increasingly p1ssed off by the name "OpenAI"...
- mise_en_place 3y ago
  Reminiscent of the Open Group, or don’t be evil.
- battles 3y ago
  If you think of it more as opening Pandora's box rather than open source then it's easier to swallow.
  - hanselot 3y ago
    Based on the way things have gone with them, it kind of leaves one with the impression that they are building the Dolores Umbridge of AI's and if that becomes AGI first, it will be complete hell to live on this planet, or anywhere the AI can find you really.
- voidfunc 3y ago
  How dare someone use the holy and sacred "Open" prefix for something that isn't blessed by the OSS mafia.
  - newswasboring 3y ago
    Maybe you don't know the history of this company. Which is fair because I literally had to find this on archive.org https://web.archive.org/web/20190224031626/https://blog.openai.com/introducing-openai/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190224031626/https://blog.open...
- ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
  You can swear on HN, this isn't tiktoc.
jasonlotito 3y ago
There is an option in ChatGPT that you can use to turn that off. > Chat History & Training Save new chats to your history and allow them to be used to improve ChatGPT via model training. Unsaved chats will be deleted from our systems within 30 days.
- EFreethought 3y ago
  I have not used ChatGPT, so I need to ask: What is the default? Most people do not change most default options. And companies know this.
  - MacsHeadroom 3y ago
    The default is your chats are their property to train on and use as they wish. If you dig into the Settings you can disable sharing chats with OpenAI, but you lose access to just about every feature including saving chats. You can only have one chat at a time, and if the window is closed or refreshed your chat is wiped. it's kind of like if opening a "Private Browsing" window prevented you from having a regular browsing window open and also had no tabs. For some reason, they still retain your chat for "up to 30 days" despite not letting you save or access it after the page is refreshed.
    - logicfiction 3y ago
      The 30 days part is most likely a legal compliance bit to cover their asses if their backing data systems ever take a big dump. They need to use an asynchronous system to be tracking when your chat becomes "finished" and then likely queue it up to a system looking to propagate deletes. They have to choose some kind of SLA on that and probably went with a common data privacy user data deletion window of 30 days.
1vuio0pswjnm7 3y ago
"We do not use Content that you provide to or receive from our API ("API Content") to develop or improve our Services." That sentence does not claim OpenAI does not use such Content for other purposes besides "developing and improving the Services". For example, using the Content in a manner that potentially harms Samsung's business. What does "develop or improve our Services" even mean? There is no definition. Third, how would anyone outside of OpenAI know how OpenAI uses the Content. For example, what if OpenAI was using Content from Services other than the API for purposes other than "to develop and improve our Services" (assuming anyone could prove what thet even means). How would anyone outside of OpenAI discover this was happening? If we search these "ToS" for phrases like "You will" or "You will not", we see that users make promises to OpenAI. However if we search for phrases like "We will" or "We wil not", we see that there are no instances where OpenAI promises anything. IMHO, these "ToS" are better characterised as "ToU". Not to mention being found at "/policies/". As a ChatGPT user, OpenAI does not owe you anything, unless perhaps you are Microsoft. For you, the "terms" can change at any time, for any reason, without any prior notice. Let's imagine some far-fetched scenario where someone inside the company leaks information that suggests OpenAI is using Content from Services other than the API for purposes other than "improving or developing the Services". Then what? OpenAI has not promised to refrain from using Content for certain purposes. There is no breach of these ToS if OpenAI uses the Content for whatever purposes it desires. Maybe Samsung could claim something like (a) OpenAI misrepesented facts in their ToS, (b) that induced Samsung into using OpenAI, and (c) as a result Samsung suffered harm. Needless to say, claims like that are difficult to prove and any recovery is limited. Whatever creative legal claims Samsung could could up with, none of them would fix damage already done to Samsung from its employees having used OpenAI.
- ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
  >These Terms of Use apply when you use the services of OpenAI, L.L.C. or our affiliates, including our application programming interface, software, tools, developer services, data, documentation, and websites (“Services”). Though, they don't define "developing and improving".
- scarface74 3y ago
  When I go to settings there is an option: > Save new chats to your history and allow them to be used to improve ChatGPT via model training
oceanplexian 3y ago
But hasn’t Google literally admitted to using user data for training purposes? I remember this being a big deal with Gmail and personalized ads a while back. Personally, it sounds to me like another case of “We think new technology is scary, therefore it’s banned”.
newswasboring 3y ago
Honestly, from an executive's point of view, why should Samsung trust openAI? It exists in a community which is famous for skirting rules, the whole move fast and break things mentality isn't just at facebook. Their IP is incredibly valuable and they also have access to a bunch of customer IP. OpenAI needs to establish trust and it takes time. Microsoft spent years working with these companies to make them adopt azure and stuff.

LightBug1 3y ago

I'm increasingly p1ssed off by the name "OpenAI"...

mise_en_place 3y ago
Reminiscent of the Open Group, or don’t be evil.
battles 3y ago
If you think of it more as opening Pandora's box rather than open source then it's easier to swallow.
- hanselot 3y ago
  Based on the way things have gone with them, it kind of leaves one with the impression that they are building the Dolores Umbridge of AI's and if that becomes AGI first, it will be complete hell to live on this planet, or anywhere the AI can find you really.
voidfunc 3y ago
How dare someone use the holy and sacred "Open" prefix for something that isn't blessed by the OSS mafia.
- newswasboring 3y ago
  Maybe you don't know the history of this company. Which is fair because I literally had to find this on archive.org https://web.archive.org/web/20190224031626/https://blog.openai.com/introducing-openai/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190224031626/https://blog.open...
ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
You can swear on HN, this isn't tiktoc.

jasonlotito 3y ago

There is an option in ChatGPT that you can use to turn that off. > Chat History & Training Save new chats to your history and allow them to be used to improve ChatGPT via model training. Unsaved chats will be deleted from our systems within 30 days.

EFreethought 3y ago
I have not used ChatGPT, so I need to ask: What is the default? Most people do not change most default options. And companies know this.
- MacsHeadroom 3y ago
  The default is your chats are their property to train on and use as they wish. If you dig into the Settings you can disable sharing chats with OpenAI, but you lose access to just about every feature including saving chats. You can only have one chat at a time, and if the window is closed or refreshed your chat is wiped. it's kind of like if opening a "Private Browsing" window prevented you from having a regular browsing window open and also had no tabs. For some reason, they still retain your chat for "up to 30 days" despite not letting you save or access it after the page is refreshed.
  - logicfiction 3y ago
    The 30 days part is most likely a legal compliance bit to cover their asses if their backing data systems ever take a big dump. They need to use an asynchronous system to be tracking when your chat becomes "finished" and then likely queue it up to a system looking to propagate deletes. They have to choose some kind of SLA on that and probably went with a common data privacy user data deletion window of 30 days.

1vuio0pswjnm7 3y ago

"We do not use Content that you provide to or receive from our API ("API Content") to develop or improve our Services." That sentence does not claim OpenAI does not use such Content for other purposes besides "developing and improving the Services". For example, using the Content in a manner that potentially harms Samsung's business. What does "develop or improve our Services" even mean? There is no definition. Third, how would anyone outside of OpenAI know how OpenAI uses the Content. For example, what if OpenAI was using Content from Services other than the API for purposes other than "to develop and improve our Services" (assuming anyone could prove what thet even means). How would anyone outside of OpenAI discover this was happening? If we search these "ToS" for phrases like "You will" or "You will not", we see that users make promises to OpenAI. However if we search for phrases like "We will" or "We wil not", we see that there are no instances where OpenAI promises anything. IMHO, these "ToS" are better characterised as "ToU". Not to mention being found at "/policies/". As a ChatGPT user, OpenAI does not owe you anything, unless perhaps you are Microsoft. For you, the "terms" can change at any time, for any reason, without any prior notice. Let's imagine some far-fetched scenario where someone inside the company leaks information that suggests OpenAI is using Content from Services other than the API for purposes other than "improving or developing the Services". Then what? OpenAI has not promised to refrain from using Content for certain purposes. There is no breach of these ToS if OpenAI uses the Content for whatever purposes it desires. Maybe Samsung could claim something like (a) OpenAI misrepesented facts in their ToS, (b) that induced Samsung into using OpenAI, and (c) as a result Samsung suffered harm. Needless to say, claims like that are difficult to prove and any recovery is limited. Whatever creative legal claims Samsung could could up with, none of them would fix damage already done to Samsung from its employees having used OpenAI.

ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
>These Terms of Use apply when you use the services of OpenAI, L.L.C. or our affiliates, including our application programming interface, software, tools, developer services, data, documentation, and websites (“Services”). Though, they don't define "developing and improving".
scarface74 3y ago
When I go to settings there is an option: > Save new chats to your history and allow them to be used to improve ChatGPT via model training

oceanplexian 3y ago

But hasn’t Google literally admitted to using user data for training purposes? I remember this being a big deal with Gmail and personalized ads a while back. Personally, it sounds to me like another case of “We think new technology is scary, therefore it’s banned”.

newswasboring 3y ago

Honestly, from an executive's point of view, why should Samsung trust openAI? It exists in a community which is famous for skirting rules, the whole move fast and break things mentality isn't just at facebook. Their IP is incredibly valuable and they also have access to a bunch of customer IP. OpenAI needs to establish trust and it takes time. Microsoft spent years working with these companies to make them adopt azure and stuff.