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Why do you expect this from Mozilla but not Microsoft, Google, Apple,...?

function_seven 3y ago
Because I expect Microsoft and Google to build more features for advertisers to target me, and Apple to build more features that lock me into their ecosystem. I expect better from Mozilla.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  If history is any indicator, why are you still expecting anything different from Mozilla in 2023? Same shit, different year.
  - function_seven 3y ago
    Because I let my nostalgia of 2004 get the best of me. And as much as I may gripe about their loss of focus, or their lagging behind in certain areas, I still appreciate them for the good things they do (e.g. fingerprint resisting, containers) and for the potential that they still have—even today—to implement user-focused improvements in their browser. They may not lean into it as much as I'd like, but they still do better than Google or Microsoft in this regard.
    - hammyhavoc 3y ago
      Microsoft has the potential to make Windows 11 UX great. They made it worse than 10 by removing functionality that's existed for years. Will Microsoft do it just because the potential exists? No. Mozilla CEO takes a $3m salary and their biggest earner by many magnitudes is a search partnership with Google. Nothing is going to change with how they treat Firefox at a consumer-level until they need to man the battle stations with a rugpull on losing that partnership. "Why would they lose it?" AI happened and the current economic climate means Google is reducing spending by killing things that don't bring tangible value.
      - JohnFen 3y ago
        > Microsoft has the potential to make Windows 11 UX great. Technically true, but I've become convinced that Microsoft is genuinely incapable of actually accomplishing that.
gnicholas 3y ago
Is this a serious question? Mozilla is mostly known for its web browser, and historically this was always the case. Microsoft is known for its OS and office suite, Google is known for search (and many other things), and Apple for its iDevices. None of these companies has ever been a browser-first company, so I wouldn't expect any of them to focus primarily on building a web browser.
- 878654Tom 3y ago
  Is the focus of Mozilla not primarely their browser anymore because of this acquisition?
cxr 3y ago
Which of those three corporations are non-profits chartered for a specific purpose with an additional implied social contract with their contributors and users?
- 878654Tom 3y ago
  And is Mozilla suddenly not focussing anymore on Firefox after this acquisition? If I remember correctly the Mozilla foundation is more than Firefox. You also have Thunderbird for example.
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smsm42 3y ago
Because Mozilla is supposed to be an alternative to Microsoft, Google, Apple,.. and not just "the same but with less money".
- 878654Tom 3y ago
  And how does this acquisition change that?
  - smsm42 3y ago
    It shows that there's no strong-focused mission. Which is ok for a generic shareholder company - ultimately, not many care how exactly the profits are achieved, as long as there are profits. But less ok for a purposeful non-profit.

Because I expect Microsoft and Google to build more features for advertisers to target me, and Apple to build more features that lock me into their ecosystem. I expect better from Mozilla.

hammyhavoc 3y ago
If history is any indicator, why are you still expecting anything different from Mozilla in 2023? Same shit, different year.
- function_seven 3y ago
  Because I let my nostalgia of 2004 get the best of me. And as much as I may gripe about their loss of focus, or their lagging behind in certain areas, I still appreciate them for the good things they do (e.g. fingerprint resisting, containers) and for the potential that they still have—even today—to implement user-focused improvements in their browser. They may not lean into it as much as I'd like, but they still do better than Google or Microsoft in this regard.
  - hammyhavoc 3y ago
    Microsoft has the potential to make Windows 11 UX great. They made it worse than 10 by removing functionality that's existed for years. Will Microsoft do it just because the potential exists? No. Mozilla CEO takes a $3m salary and their biggest earner by many magnitudes is a search partnership with Google. Nothing is going to change with how they treat Firefox at a consumer-level until they need to man the battle stations with a rugpull on losing that partnership. "Why would they lose it?" AI happened and the current economic climate means Google is reducing spending by killing things that don't bring tangible value.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      > Microsoft has the potential to make Windows 11 UX great. Technically true, but I've become convinced that Microsoft is genuinely incapable of actually accomplishing that.

gnicholas 3y ago

Is this a serious question? Mozilla is mostly known for its web browser, and historically this was always the case. Microsoft is known for its OS and office suite, Google is known for search (and many other things), and Apple for its iDevices. None of these companies has ever been a browser-first company, so I wouldn't expect any of them to focus primarily on building a web browser.

878654Tom 3y ago
Is the focus of Mozilla not primarely their browser anymore because of this acquisition?

cxr 3y ago

Which of those three corporations are non-profits chartered for a specific purpose with an additional implied social contract with their contributors and users?

878654Tom 3y ago
And is Mozilla suddenly not focussing anymore on Firefox after this acquisition? If I remember correctly the Mozilla foundation is more than Firefox. You also have Thunderbird for example.
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smsm42 3y ago

Because Mozilla is supposed to be an alternative to Microsoft, Google, Apple,.. and not just "the same but with less money".

878654Tom 3y ago
And how does this acquisition change that?
- smsm42 3y ago
  It shows that there's no strong-focused mission. Which is ok for a generic shareholder company - ultimately, not many care how exactly the profits are achieved, as long as there are profits. But less ok for a purposeful non-profit.