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Is it? Is this a States thing? That in the United States that nudity and pornography is "dangerous", yet in other cultures throughout Europe, it's not taken as

Is it? Is this a States thing? That in the United States that nudity and pornography is "dangerous", yet in other cultures throughout Europe, it's not taken as seriously, nor does it have this overall "dangerous" tag to it (generally speaking that is. Prudish people trying to impose their will on others can be a world-wide phenomenon). And does this put a curb on explicit R rated movies that has nudity and acts of sex? Is it just the penetration shots that are "dangerous"? Also, it doesn't even touch on if ultra violent content strewn around, well, EVERYWHERE isn't "dangerous"? Where is the state bans on violence in movies and TV (they've already tried with video games)? But OMFG, if you dare to show a woman's breast, it's "dangerous". Give me a break.

throwaway743 3y ago
It's embedded by the puritanical roots of the US. It's nonsense really.
- tivert 3y ago
  > It's embedded by the puritanical roots of the US. It's nonsense really. It's worth noting that the reactionary response to that (e.g. porn is good and totally healthy and everything bad said about it is fake news) is also nonsense.
  - throwaway743 3y ago
    You're absolutely right, but the issue is more nuanced than simply "porn is good" or "porn is bad.". The root of the problem lies in the fact that the discussion around sex and sex health in the US is often clouded by puritanical beliefs and an aversion to discussing these topics in an open and honest manner. This typically leads to a lack of comprehensive sex education and the stigmatization of porn, which has never done anyone any good. As a country, we need to be more open and honest about sex, and recognize that censorship and puritanical attitudes have no place in shaping our laws or social norms.
- freedomben 3y ago
  I agree generally that there is some serious puritanical roots in the US that are still at heavy play today. But there must be more to what's happening than just that. in other threads it's bewing shown that many European countries and Canada are passing similar laws. Puritanical roots of Europe?
  - throwaway743 3y ago
    Honestly, idk enough about what's happening in Europe or Canada as it relates to this topic, but it's possible that there are other cultural or historical factors at play. My initial assumption is maybe it's due to a rise in conservatism in certain countries? Again, idk, I haven't been keeping up with the news on this. What's going on exactly? Which countries?
    - rootusrootus 3y ago
      You're not at all sure why it's happening in multiple other countries, but you're completely confident it must be the 'puritanical roots of the US'?
      - throwaway743 3y ago
        The US has a different history than Europe. One aspect of that history being the strong influence of religious puritans who were among the earliest colonizers, and whose impact has and can still be seen today in various aspects of American society and culture.
Mindwipe 3y ago
> Is it? Is this a States thing? That in the United States that nudity and pornography is "dangerous", yet in other cultures throughout Europe, it's not taken as seriously, nor does it have this overall "dangerous" tag to it (generally speaking that is. Prudish people trying to impose their will on others can be a world-wide phenomenon). France and Germany have similar laws, and the UK is about to pass one. It would be nice if this were true, but it's not.
4gotunameagain 3y ago
Anything that can hijack the dopaminergic system should not be allowed to kids. Gambling, tiktok & smartphones in general, porn, drugs etc. We used to have shame as a societal mechanism to deal with these issues. It was shameful to be an alcoholic, which was how alcoholism was kept in check. The same way it was shameful in ancient Greece to surrender to your carnal urges. Shame is disappearing. Our societies are going haywire.
- jbar32 3y ago
  > Anything that can hijack the dopaminergic system This is far too broad, just because something could be used for evil is not enough to ban it for all children. What about TVs? Candy? Stimulating toys? I think all of these can have negative outcomes when abused, but that isn't enough for me to say all children should not access them.
  - Aerbil313 3y ago
    All online pornography is scientientifically demonstrated to be harmful for both children and adults, see the research: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/ https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/
- Seattle3503 3y ago
  Is there evidence shame prevents or treats addiction? Everything I've seen suggests the opposite.
- HaZeust 3y ago
  Places with robust systems for shame and conformation to its populace - particularly religious nations - are less civilized and developed than their "shameless" national counterparts. This isn't the only variable, and it's clearly not the determining factor. Push an agenda elsewhere.
  - bart_spoon 3y ago
    Japan would like a word
Aerbil313 3y ago
It's simply science, see the research for yourself: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/ https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/
skrbjc 3y ago
Surely you understand that happening to see a woman's nipple is completely different to a 14 year old sitting up at 4am masterbating to whatever intense porn they can get their hands on are two completely different things. And if you think the latter is bad, as you should, then it makes sense to err on the side of caution when figuring out a way to reduce the likelihood of a young person, who has not fully developed a sense of self control, getting sucked into the wormhole of a porn addiction. If that means reducing the likelihood of an innocent breast being seen, then that seems like a reasonable trade-off. Also, you say Europe is more open about nudity, implying that is a good thing, but Asia and the middle east are in many cases more prudish than even the US, so why not look to them or use them as an example? Where's your objective measure for which societies we should admire and emulate?

throwaway743 3y ago

It's embedded by the puritanical roots of the US. It's nonsense really.

tivert 3y ago
> It's embedded by the puritanical roots of the US. It's nonsense really. It's worth noting that the reactionary response to that (e.g. porn is good and totally healthy and everything bad said about it is fake news) is also nonsense.
- throwaway743 3y ago
  You're absolutely right, but the issue is more nuanced than simply "porn is good" or "porn is bad.". The root of the problem lies in the fact that the discussion around sex and sex health in the US is often clouded by puritanical beliefs and an aversion to discussing these topics in an open and honest manner. This typically leads to a lack of comprehensive sex education and the stigmatization of porn, which has never done anyone any good. As a country, we need to be more open and honest about sex, and recognize that censorship and puritanical attitudes have no place in shaping our laws or social norms.
freedomben 3y ago
I agree generally that there is some serious puritanical roots in the US that are still at heavy play today. But there must be more to what's happening than just that. in other threads it's bewing shown that many European countries and Canada are passing similar laws. Puritanical roots of Europe?
- throwaway743 3y ago
  Honestly, idk enough about what's happening in Europe or Canada as it relates to this topic, but it's possible that there are other cultural or historical factors at play. My initial assumption is maybe it's due to a rise in conservatism in certain countries? Again, idk, I haven't been keeping up with the news on this. What's going on exactly? Which countries?
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    You're not at all sure why it's happening in multiple other countries, but you're completely confident it must be the 'puritanical roots of the US'?
    - throwaway743 3y ago
      The US has a different history than Europe. One aspect of that history being the strong influence of religious puritans who were among the earliest colonizers, and whose impact has and can still be seen today in various aspects of American society and culture.

Mindwipe 3y ago

> Is it? Is this a States thing? That in the United States that nudity and pornography is "dangerous", yet in other cultures throughout Europe, it's not taken as seriously, nor does it have this overall "dangerous" tag to it (generally speaking that is. Prudish people trying to impose their will on others can be a world-wide phenomenon). France and Germany have similar laws, and the UK is about to pass one. It would be nice if this were true, but it's not.

4gotunameagain 3y ago

Anything that can hijack the dopaminergic system should not be allowed to kids. Gambling, tiktok & smartphones in general, porn, drugs etc. We used to have shame as a societal mechanism to deal with these issues. It was shameful to be an alcoholic, which was how alcoholism was kept in check. The same way it was shameful in ancient Greece to surrender to your carnal urges. Shame is disappearing. Our societies are going haywire.

jbar32 3y ago
> Anything that can hijack the dopaminergic system This is far too broad, just because something could be used for evil is not enough to ban it for all children. What about TVs? Candy? Stimulating toys? I think all of these can have negative outcomes when abused, but that isn't enough for me to say all children should not access them.
- Aerbil313 3y ago
  All online pornography is scientientifically demonstrated to be harmful for both children and adults, see the research: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/ https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/
Seattle3503 3y ago
Is there evidence shame prevents or treats addiction? Everything I've seen suggests the opposite.
HaZeust 3y ago
Places with robust systems for shame and conformation to its populace - particularly religious nations - are less civilized and developed than their "shameless" national counterparts. This isn't the only variable, and it's clearly not the determining factor. Push an agenda elsewhere.
- bart_spoon 3y ago
  Japan would like a word

Aerbil313 3y ago

It's simply science, see the research for yourself: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/ https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/

skrbjc 3y ago

Surely you understand that happening to see a woman's nipple is completely different to a 14 year old sitting up at 4am masterbating to whatever intense porn they can get their hands on are two completely different things. And if you think the latter is bad, as you should, then it makes sense to err on the side of caution when figuring out a way to reduce the likelihood of a young person, who has not fully developed a sense of self control, getting sucked into the wormhole of a porn addiction. If that means reducing the likelihood of an innocent breast being seen, then that seems like a reasonable trade-off. Also, you say Europe is more open about nudity, implying that is a good thing, but Asia and the middle east are in many cases more prudish than even the US, so why not look to them or use them as an example? Where's your objective measure for which societies we should admire and emulate?