5 ms·

I always had high hopes (pardon the pun) that cannabis decriminalization would look similar to homebrew beer culture and we might see a horticulture boom. Many

I always had high hopes (pardon the pun) that cannabis decriminalization would look similar to homebrew beer culture and we might see a horticulture boom. Many states sadly only took steps to create a states monopoly on the distribution of this narcotic with no real reforms to criminalization of cultivation. Californias experiment with decriminalization was after five years revealed for its true intent: unchecked greed at the hand of a 70% tax rate. https://www.npr.org/2021/11/07/1053387426/5-years-after-california-legalized-weed-the-illicit-market-dominates https://www.npr.org/2021/11/07/1053387426/5-years-after-cali...

whimsicalism 3y ago
Where I grew up (DC), you are only allowed to cultivate & not allowed to buy/sell. Also, you definitely just pulled that 70% number out of your ass
Moneyyyyy 3y ago
In Germany it will be allowed to have three plants at home. And canabisclub who is doing the growing for/with you. This should allow for more grow culture.
- GordonS 3y ago
  > In Germany it will be allowed to have three plants at home. Isn't that only for personal use though (i.e. you can't sell it)?
- saiya-jin 3y ago
  I am so disappointed with the path Germany took. Its clear above all it poses no serious risk to general population, especially when compared to alcohol and tobacco. Yet they do this crappy in-between, which excludes most people (no, I dont want to have growing aparatus at home and tinker with setup, worry for vacations fire hazards etc), excludes completely access to more advanced and healthier forms (vapes are by far the best and healthiest way for me, dont force me to smoke stuff, I actually care about my health and state should appreciate that). The problem is, what Germany pushes for sets the tone in rest of EU, and they did set the bar very low. They could have been champions of personal freedom, but they decide to drag this, I guess to please (clueless) conservatives.
  - rerx 3y ago
    Reportedly, the German government scaled down its original legalization plans as they would be in violation of current EU law. Private is in the scope of member state legislation, but virtually everything related to trade is subject to EU regulations, and they currently demand dealing with cannabis to be criminal. (Not a lawyer, that's how I understood the news.) Germany's current plans could be a first step before pushing for a change of EU law. That may not be trivial though, as some other member state governments appear to be opposed to the idea.
  - Moneyyyyy 3y ago
    Alone decriminalization is huge. You can lose your f driver license when they caught you anywhere. And the cat is out of the bag. Creating a canabisclub should be easy enough.
callmeal 3y ago
>unchecked greed at the hand of a 70% tax rate. The CA tax rate is closer to 25% (15% excise tax + whatever sales tax is applicable at your address). Where are you getting that hyperbolic number from?
- zdragnar 3y ago
  If you're selling it, you also have to count it as income and pay income tax as well. I don't know that it adds up to 70%, but the excise and sales taxes aren't the end of the story by a long shot if you want to be in full compliance.
- annoyingnoob 3y ago
  The total tax where I live varies from about 27% to about 33%. The tax seems wrong sometimes based on percent alone, part of the regulation involves charging the tax amount based on the average sale price for a product. So, you may be getting a discount on your purchase but you might be paying tax on a higher price based on the average selling price. Weird to be sure.
- chrisbolt 3y ago
  From the linked NPR article: > The inconsistency between state and federal law is causing enormous problems in the cannabis industry everywhere. [...] And almost more significantly, you end up having to pay a 70% effective tax rate because you're not able to take deductions on your federal taxes. So most businesses might pay 35%. You're paying 70%. That can be a huge cost for a small business. Certainly unreasonable to attribute all of the 70% tax rate to California's "unchecked greed".
noarchy 3y ago
>I always had high hopes (pardon the pun) that cannabis decriminalization would look similar to homebrew beer culture and we might see a horticulture boom That idea was killed off here in Quebec, where cannabis is otherwise legal (albeit with monopolized sales). Federal regulations allowed for up to four plants, but Quebec and Manitoba decided to ban that. This ban was challenged all the way to the Supreme Court, which upheld the ban.
- aziaziazi 3y ago
  What was the reason for this ban and it’s upheld ?
  - hydrok9 3y ago
    in MB you can blame the idiocy of the Conservative party, as usual ("because kids will eat it and die").
    - buzzert 3y ago
      Yes, how idiotic of them to want to keep kids away from addictive drugs.
      - hydrok9 3y ago
        L.O.L. Do you understand that it is impossible to ingest a marijuana plant and become intoxicated? Do you recommend we ban cars from garages, BECAUSE THE CHILDREN COULD SUCK THE GAS RIGHT OUT THE TAILPIPE??? Right now I can go buy out an entire store's worth of cured and highly potent marijuana, and put that inside my home. Where there are kids. Yet if i grow 4 plants, somehow a toddler is going to eat it and die? It's just the cons playing to their heartland constituents who live outside of Winnipeg. Where it's wrong to be gay and the only reason you'd smoke drugs is because you're defective. Their understanding of the issue is shallow at best.
      - mrguyorama 3y ago
        My understanding is that eating Cannabis plant matter does not induce the drug effects because it requires a heat-induced chemical change before the THC can bind with your receptors. Don't keep your edibles within reach of your children, because they like candy and at least one infant has died from consuming weed candy. But that's no different than keep your sugar coated advil out of reach of kids.
elil17 3y ago
I think there is such a strong reason to be concerned about what the cannabis industry might be headed towards. THC is potentiated by other cannabinoids (meaning that pure THC has a much weaker effect than THC blended with the other chemicals that typically occur in the cannabis plant). Now, in the US, we're seeing a new paradigm in the cannabis extracts space. Companies are breeding cannabis for extremely high THC content, extracting the THC, and then mixing it with cannabinoids from other sources. My concern here is that, now that the production process is totally decoupled from the challenges of selective breeding, there will be a huge potential for companies to push the potency further and further. You might see new chemicals developed to potentiate cannabis - the tobacco industry did exactly this for THC. I think a lot of people agree that cannabis offers a very favorable ratio of drawbacks and benefits compared to other drugs, including alcohol. Will this still be the case as new formulations are developed?
- Taywee 3y ago
  There are already some extremely potent products on the market, and overuse is easy and can cause some really gnarly side effects. I always recommend people stick with flower and home made edibles for safety sake. I dabbled in the stronger stuff, and it's nothing like how weed should feel. Insanely anxiety inducing.
  - whimsicalism 3y ago
    I think that what works for one person doesn't always work for the other, and people try to project their experience as "this is what will happen to you." Most of people's worst experiences I've been witness to have been with homemade edibles.
    - Taywee 3y ago
      If you're making firecrackers or just throwing rough weed into butter, it can be rough. It's a drug, and you should partake safely. Weigh the flower, estimate the percentage of that weight that's THC (20% is usually safe), decarb it, infuse in a fat, and dose carefully and safely, estimating no more than 5 mg THC max for the first attempt, and giving at least 2 full hours (or preferably another day) before trying more. Edibles are a lot more work and deliberation, and can give much more varied experiences due to digestion and personal metabolism (there are suggestions of enzyme differences that can make a major difference too). I never suggest it without a full rundown full of details and warnings. I only bring it up because I can't in good conscience simply recommend smoking anything to somebody who might care about their lung health. That said, I've seen and had some really bad experiences on some badly-dosed edibles, but it doesn't compare to the worst I've seen messing around with real concentrates. Overdoses aside, I've had friends graduate from flower to edibles to tinctures to BHOs and just end up imbibing hundreds of milligrams of THC a day, and the results are often chronic anxiety, hyperemesis, inability to sleep, paranoia, and intense withdrawal when you quit. People who say "it's just a plant, it's harmless" haven't seen the effects of extreme abuse, and that's coming from somebody who generally likes using cannabis.
Taywee 3y ago
In Colorado, I know a ton of people who grow their own. You just have to have a lockable enclosure, but most people don't bother and don't get any heat for it anyway.
draw_down 3y ago
[dead]

whimsicalism 3y ago

Where I grew up (DC), you are only allowed to cultivate & not allowed to buy/sell. Also, you definitely just pulled that 70% number out of your ass

Moneyyyyy 3y ago

In Germany it will be allowed to have three plants at home. And canabisclub who is doing the growing for/with you. This should allow for more grow culture.

GordonS 3y ago
> In Germany it will be allowed to have three plants at home. Isn't that only for personal use though (i.e. you can't sell it)?
saiya-jin 3y ago
I am so disappointed with the path Germany took. Its clear above all it poses no serious risk to general population, especially when compared to alcohol and tobacco. Yet they do this crappy in-between, which excludes most people (no, I dont want to have growing aparatus at home and tinker with setup, worry for vacations fire hazards etc), excludes completely access to more advanced and healthier forms (vapes are by far the best and healthiest way for me, dont force me to smoke stuff, I actually care about my health and state should appreciate that). The problem is, what Germany pushes for sets the tone in rest of EU, and they did set the bar very low. They could have been champions of personal freedom, but they decide to drag this, I guess to please (clueless) conservatives.
- rerx 3y ago
  Reportedly, the German government scaled down its original legalization plans as they would be in violation of current EU law. Private is in the scope of member state legislation, but virtually everything related to trade is subject to EU regulations, and they currently demand dealing with cannabis to be criminal. (Not a lawyer, that's how I understood the news.) Germany's current plans could be a first step before pushing for a change of EU law. That may not be trivial though, as some other member state governments appear to be opposed to the idea.
- Moneyyyyy 3y ago
  Alone decriminalization is huge. You can lose your f driver license when they caught you anywhere. And the cat is out of the bag. Creating a canabisclub should be easy enough.

callmeal 3y ago

>unchecked greed at the hand of a 70% tax rate. The CA tax rate is closer to 25% (15% excise tax + whatever sales tax is applicable at your address). Where are you getting that hyperbolic number from?

zdragnar 3y ago
If you're selling it, you also have to count it as income and pay income tax as well. I don't know that it adds up to 70%, but the excise and sales taxes aren't the end of the story by a long shot if you want to be in full compliance.
annoyingnoob 3y ago
The total tax where I live varies from about 27% to about 33%. The tax seems wrong sometimes based on percent alone, part of the regulation involves charging the tax amount based on the average sale price for a product. So, you may be getting a discount on your purchase but you might be paying tax on a higher price based on the average selling price. Weird to be sure.
chrisbolt 3y ago
From the linked NPR article: > The inconsistency between state and federal law is causing enormous problems in the cannabis industry everywhere. [...] And almost more significantly, you end up having to pay a 70% effective tax rate because you're not able to take deductions on your federal taxes. So most businesses might pay 35%. You're paying 70%. That can be a huge cost for a small business. Certainly unreasonable to attribute all of the 70% tax rate to California's "unchecked greed".

noarchy 3y ago

>I always had high hopes (pardon the pun) that cannabis decriminalization would look similar to homebrew beer culture and we might see a horticulture boom That idea was killed off here in Quebec, where cannabis is otherwise legal (albeit with monopolized sales). Federal regulations allowed for up to four plants, but Quebec and Manitoba decided to ban that. This ban was challenged all the way to the Supreme Court, which upheld the ban.

aziaziazi 3y ago
What was the reason for this ban and it’s upheld ?
- hydrok9 3y ago
  in MB you can blame the idiocy of the Conservative party, as usual ("because kids will eat it and die").
  - buzzert 3y ago
    Yes, how idiotic of them to want to keep kids away from addictive drugs.
    - hydrok9 3y ago
      L.O.L. Do you understand that it is impossible to ingest a marijuana plant and become intoxicated? Do you recommend we ban cars from garages, BECAUSE THE CHILDREN COULD SUCK THE GAS RIGHT OUT THE TAILPIPE??? Right now I can go buy out an entire store's worth of cured and highly potent marijuana, and put that inside my home. Where there are kids. Yet if i grow 4 plants, somehow a toddler is going to eat it and die? It's just the cons playing to their heartland constituents who live outside of Winnipeg. Where it's wrong to be gay and the only reason you'd smoke drugs is because you're defective. Their understanding of the issue is shallow at best.
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      My understanding is that eating Cannabis plant matter does not induce the drug effects because it requires a heat-induced chemical change before the THC can bind with your receptors. Don't keep your edibles within reach of your children, because they like candy and at least one infant has died from consuming weed candy. But that's no different than keep your sugar coated advil out of reach of kids.

elil17 3y ago

I think there is such a strong reason to be concerned about what the cannabis industry might be headed towards. THC is potentiated by other cannabinoids (meaning that pure THC has a much weaker effect than THC blended with the other chemicals that typically occur in the cannabis plant). Now, in the US, we're seeing a new paradigm in the cannabis extracts space. Companies are breeding cannabis for extremely high THC content, extracting the THC, and then mixing it with cannabinoids from other sources. My concern here is that, now that the production process is totally decoupled from the challenges of selective breeding, there will be a huge potential for companies to push the potency further and further. You might see new chemicals developed to potentiate cannabis - the tobacco industry did exactly this for THC. I think a lot of people agree that cannabis offers a very favorable ratio of drawbacks and benefits compared to other drugs, including alcohol. Will this still be the case as new formulations are developed?

Taywee 3y ago
There are already some extremely potent products on the market, and overuse is easy and can cause some really gnarly side effects. I always recommend people stick with flower and home made edibles for safety sake. I dabbled in the stronger stuff, and it's nothing like how weed should feel. Insanely anxiety inducing.
- whimsicalism 3y ago
  I think that what works for one person doesn't always work for the other, and people try to project their experience as "this is what will happen to you." Most of people's worst experiences I've been witness to have been with homemade edibles.
  - Taywee 3y ago
    If you're making firecrackers or just throwing rough weed into butter, it can be rough. It's a drug, and you should partake safely. Weigh the flower, estimate the percentage of that weight that's THC (20% is usually safe), decarb it, infuse in a fat, and dose carefully and safely, estimating no more than 5 mg THC max for the first attempt, and giving at least 2 full hours (or preferably another day) before trying more. Edibles are a lot more work and deliberation, and can give much more varied experiences due to digestion and personal metabolism (there are suggestions of enzyme differences that can make a major difference too). I never suggest it without a full rundown full of details and warnings. I only bring it up because I can't in good conscience simply recommend smoking anything to somebody who might care about their lung health. That said, I've seen and had some really bad experiences on some badly-dosed edibles, but it doesn't compare to the worst I've seen messing around with real concentrates. Overdoses aside, I've had friends graduate from flower to edibles to tinctures to BHOs and just end up imbibing hundreds of milligrams of THC a day, and the results are often chronic anxiety, hyperemesis, inability to sleep, paranoia, and intense withdrawal when you quit. People who say "it's just a plant, it's harmless" haven't seen the effects of extreme abuse, and that's coming from somebody who generally likes using cannabis.

Taywee 3y ago

In Colorado, I know a ton of people who grow their own. You just have to have a lockable enclosure, but most people don't bother and don't get any heat for it anyway.

draw_down 3y ago

[dead]