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Tobacco is highly addictive and carcinogenic. Marijuana doesn't cause physical withdrawals, and while certainly isn't good for your health, it does not cause lu

by piyh 3y ago

Tobacco is highly addictive and carcinogenic. Marijuana doesn't cause physical withdrawals, and while certainly isn't good for your health, it does not cause lung cancer and emphysema anywhere close to the rates of tobacco.

femiagbabiaka 3y ago
Modern marijuana is highly addictive and does in fact cause physical withdrawals (digestive problems, lack of appetite) as well as mental health issues (mood swings, hypervivid dreams). The levels of THC in modern strains available at most dispensaries are entirely too high.
- arcticbull 3y ago
  Do you have some studies on that? The studies I've seen put the number around 10% [2] and I'm not sure I'd call that "highly addictive." Alcohol is around 6.7% [1] [1] https://drugabusestatistics.org/alcohol-abuse-statistics/ https://drugabusestatistics.org/alcohol-abuse-statistics/ [2] https://www.uptodate.com/contents/cannabis-withdrawal?topicRef=7797&source=see_link https://www.uptodate.com/contents/cannabis-withdrawal?topicR...
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    Would there be adverse selection here due to cannabis having been illegal for so long, making more responsible people avoid it?
  - femiagbabiaka 3y ago
    No, but I'd love to see some done. I just have anecdotal evidence, although it is a lot of it as I have been friends with a lot of potheads in my life. Reddit is also not a source for anything, but it does confirm that my anecdotal evidence is not limited to my friend circle: https://www.reddit.com/r/leaves/comments/10vgauo/why_does_noone_talk_about_how_gut_wrenching/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leaves/comments/10vgauo/why_does_no....
  - piyh 3y ago
    Studies on cannabis withdrawal not behind a paywall https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9110555/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9110555/
- nickpp 3y ago
  The level of THC is completely irrelevant as one simply stops when she had enough or has some more if she feels like it. It’s not like a set physical portion of flower.
  - femiagbabiaka 3y ago
    It is not irrelevant. THC builds up in the body, inhibits certain endocrine systems from functioning properly. Many people who are not aware they are addicts bite off more than they can chew often, just like with alcohol. The difference is that we have a social understanding of the effects of different ABV levels in drinks, and you expect beer to get you less drunk than Everclear. Well, almost every bit of leaf or edible in the dispensary is Everclear.
    - nickpp 3y ago
      You don’t eat the whole brownie or vape the whole bud at once. The shop keeper will tell you what you are getting as well, including dosage advice for your level. You FEEL getting high and when you had enough. If you get too high, you stop. There is no overdose. I am sure no normal people drink vodka just like beer, thinking they are both similarly alcoholic drinks. Not even accidentally. Of course, if you want to abuse, you can. In both cases. But that is your conscious choice.
      - femiagbabiaka 3y ago
        > You don’t eat the whole brownie or vape the whole bud at once. The shop keeper will tell you what you are getting as well, including dosage advice for your level. Consuming too much of an edible is pretty much the default outside of high quality dining experiences -- quality control from edible to edible is terrible and nobody weighs before they eat. And I'm not sure what dispensary you're going to where they give you dosage advice unasked for, it's abnormal in the extreme. > You FEEL getting high and when you had enough. If you get too high, you stop. There is no overdose. No, especially with edibles, the effect is delayed. It's true that you stop when you've had too much, but by then some portion of the population will experience psychosis, anxiety, etc. Not ideal, and very hard to protect against the next time, because again, edible quality control is terrible and everything is dosed at least 10% too high. > I am sure no normal people drink vodka just like beer, thinking they are both similarly alcoholic drinks. Not even accidentally. Of course, if you want to abuse, you can. In both cases. But that is your conscious choice. That's the whole point. They don't, because the distinction is clear. With marijuana products, it's not.
Dma54rhs 3y ago
It absolutely does cause physical withdrawals when you've been smoking king enough.
edgyquant 3y ago
>Marijuana doesn't cause physical withdrawals, This isn’t true. It was a lie peddled by pro legalization groups. Some physical symptoms include cold sweats and diarrhea but there are plenty of others and the psychological symptoms are worse (terrible nightmares and anxiety.) https://www.healthline.com/health/marijuana-withdrawal#symptoms https://www.healthline.com/health/marijuana-withdrawal#sympt...
whimsicalism 3y ago
> Marijuana doesn't cause physical withdrawals Sure, not like some drugs - but if you are dependent it absolutely causes physical withdrawals.
- vkou 3y ago
  On the scale of withdrawals, it's way on the left of the 'how bad they are' scale. It's not quite caffeine withdrawal, but it's also nothing like alcohol (which can kill you) or nicotine withdrawal.
- ModernMech 3y ago
  Sure but it lasts like 2 days. It manifests as you being cranky and you can't sleep for a night or two. Then you're fine.
  - whimsicalism 3y ago
    I think there are long tail effects that last a fee weeks, but sure - was not trying to suggest withdrawal was really bad.
hydrok9 3y ago
The withdrawals can last for months. Usually physical symptoms subside within a few days/weeks.

by piyh 3y ago

femiagbabiaka 3y ago

Modern marijuana is highly addictive and does in fact cause physical withdrawals (digestive problems, lack of appetite) as well as mental health issues (mood swings, hypervivid dreams). The levels of THC in modern strains available at most dispensaries are entirely too high.

arcticbull 3y ago
Do you have some studies on that? The studies I've seen put the number around 10% [2] and I'm not sure I'd call that "highly addictive." Alcohol is around 6.7% [1] [1] https://drugabusestatistics.org/alcohol-abuse-statistics/ https://drugabusestatistics.org/alcohol-abuse-statistics/ [2] https://www.uptodate.com/contents/cannabis-withdrawal?topicRef=7797&source=see_link https://www.uptodate.com/contents/cannabis-withdrawal?topicR...
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  Would there be adverse selection here due to cannabis having been illegal for so long, making more responsible people avoid it?
- femiagbabiaka 3y ago
  No, but I'd love to see some done. I just have anecdotal evidence, although it is a lot of it as I have been friends with a lot of potheads in my life. Reddit is also not a source for anything, but it does confirm that my anecdotal evidence is not limited to my friend circle: https://www.reddit.com/r/leaves/comments/10vgauo/why_does_noone_talk_about_how_gut_wrenching/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leaves/comments/10vgauo/why_does_no....
- piyh 3y ago
  Studies on cannabis withdrawal not behind a paywall https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9110555/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9110555/
nickpp 3y ago
The level of THC is completely irrelevant as one simply stops when she had enough or has some more if she feels like it. It’s not like a set physical portion of flower.
- femiagbabiaka 3y ago
  It is not irrelevant. THC builds up in the body, inhibits certain endocrine systems from functioning properly. Many people who are not aware they are addicts bite off more than they can chew often, just like with alcohol. The difference is that we have a social understanding of the effects of different ABV levels in drinks, and you expect beer to get you less drunk than Everclear. Well, almost every bit of leaf or edible in the dispensary is Everclear.
  - nickpp 3y ago
    You don’t eat the whole brownie or vape the whole bud at once. The shop keeper will tell you what you are getting as well, including dosage advice for your level. You FEEL getting high and when you had enough. If you get too high, you stop. There is no overdose. I am sure no normal people drink vodka just like beer, thinking they are both similarly alcoholic drinks. Not even accidentally. Of course, if you want to abuse, you can. In both cases. But that is your conscious choice.
    - femiagbabiaka 3y ago
      > You don’t eat the whole brownie or vape the whole bud at once. The shop keeper will tell you what you are getting as well, including dosage advice for your level. Consuming too much of an edible is pretty much the default outside of high quality dining experiences -- quality control from edible to edible is terrible and nobody weighs before they eat. And I'm not sure what dispensary you're going to where they give you dosage advice unasked for, it's abnormal in the extreme. > You FEEL getting high and when you had enough. If you get too high, you stop. There is no overdose. No, especially with edibles, the effect is delayed. It's true that you stop when you've had too much, but by then some portion of the population will experience psychosis, anxiety, etc. Not ideal, and very hard to protect against the next time, because again, edible quality control is terrible and everything is dosed at least 10% too high. > I am sure no normal people drink vodka just like beer, thinking they are both similarly alcoholic drinks. Not even accidentally. Of course, if you want to abuse, you can. In both cases. But that is your conscious choice. That's the whole point. They don't, because the distinction is clear. With marijuana products, it's not.

Dma54rhs 3y ago

It absolutely does cause physical withdrawals when you've been smoking king enough.

edgyquant 3y ago

>Marijuana doesn't cause physical withdrawals, This isn’t true. It was a lie peddled by pro legalization groups. Some physical symptoms include cold sweats and diarrhea but there are plenty of others and the psychological symptoms are worse (terrible nightmares and anxiety.) https://www.healthline.com/health/marijuana-withdrawal#symptoms https://www.healthline.com/health/marijuana-withdrawal#sympt...

whimsicalism 3y ago

> Marijuana doesn't cause physical withdrawals Sure, not like some drugs - but if you are dependent it absolutely causes physical withdrawals.

vkou 3y ago
On the scale of withdrawals, it's way on the left of the 'how bad they are' scale. It's not quite caffeine withdrawal, but it's also nothing like alcohol (which can kill you) or nicotine withdrawal.
ModernMech 3y ago
Sure but it lasts like 2 days. It manifests as you being cranky and you can't sleep for a night or two. Then you're fine.
- whimsicalism 3y ago
  I think there are long tail effects that last a fee weeks, but sure - was not trying to suggest withdrawal was really bad.

hydrok9 3y ago

The withdrawals can last for months. Usually physical symptoms subside within a few days/weeks.