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Soma vibes

by penjelly 3y ago

Soma vibes

Cthulhu_ 3y ago
Same can be said about alcohol, tobacco, opiate painkillers, flu medication and low energy entertainment though.
- Spivak 3y ago
  And non-opiate painkillers, anti-anxiety medications, antidepressants, stimulants. "What if people were happy and content with life but its actually bad" is such a puritan view of the world.
  - swexbe 3y ago
    If modern society is inherently alienating, then SSRI's & others are not an ideal long-term solution at a societal level. Not sure how believing that makes me a puritan.
- penjelly 3y ago
  im pro cannabis and i agree with your points. Just an observation
eternalban 3y ago
I wonder if the opioids crisis had a hand in changing the approach to pot, to provide a manageable alternative comfort drug.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  I am assuming the approach to cannabis was purely due to racism/classism so that authorities have something to nail minorities with, and as civil rights progresses, those laws are changed.
  - eternalban 3y ago
    Educate me. What happened post 60s civil rights movement? Reefer Madness stuff (clearly racist) was 100 years ago. Pot is a pyschoactive substance - you don't have to be a racist to have concerns at a social policy level with pervassive use of a pschoactive substance that for many also introduces lethargy. What the effect will be is TBD. I am curious to see what happens (and yes, I partake.)
    - lotsofpulp 3y ago
      If the concern was psychoactive-ness, then alcohol would have been a felony too. And given how widely and casually cannabis has been consumed for decades, the social policy angle makes no sense as effects should be visible by now. The civil rights angle is the one where the people being oppressed by selective enforcement of the law is the one that makes sense, somewhat evidenced by the progression of changes in state laws, beginning with states that one would rank more progressive on civil rights than more regressive states, where it still remains highly illegal.
      - eternalban 3y ago
        They did try to ban alcohol but it didn't fly. It is so deeply ingrained in human civilization, specially in the West. I don't believe we have yet experienced -pervasive- use of this substance in society. My sense of it is that a sort of social taboo has been lifted. TBD imo. I can't find the nytimes oped from Giulliani era, but in late 90s early 00s, NYC was arresting people left and right for lousy dime bags. And many 'respectable' types got arrested which prompted the oped I am referring to here. But sure, policing in general has been used as a discrminatory tool, no arguments there.
abofh 3y ago
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1031053251/sackler-family-immunity-purdue-pharma-oxcyontin-opioid-epidemic https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1031053251/sackler-family-imm... Soma was legalized - just ask your neighbors

Soma vibes

Cthulhu_ 3y ago

Same can be said about alcohol, tobacco, opiate painkillers, flu medication and low energy entertainment though.

Spivak 3y ago
And non-opiate painkillers, anti-anxiety medications, antidepressants, stimulants. "What if people were happy and content with life but its actually bad" is such a puritan view of the world.
- swexbe 3y ago
  If modern society is inherently alienating, then SSRI's & others are not an ideal long-term solution at a societal level. Not sure how believing that makes me a puritan.
penjelly 3y ago
im pro cannabis and i agree with your points. Just an observation

eternalban 3y ago

I wonder if the opioids crisis had a hand in changing the approach to pot, to provide a manageable alternative comfort drug.

lotsofpulp 3y ago
I am assuming the approach to cannabis was purely due to racism/classism so that authorities have something to nail minorities with, and as civil rights progresses, those laws are changed.
- eternalban 3y ago
  Educate me. What happened post 60s civil rights movement? Reefer Madness stuff (clearly racist) was 100 years ago. Pot is a pyschoactive substance - you don't have to be a racist to have concerns at a social policy level with pervassive use of a pschoactive substance that for many also introduces lethargy. What the effect will be is TBD. I am curious to see what happens (and yes, I partake.)
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    If the concern was psychoactive-ness, then alcohol would have been a felony too. And given how widely and casually cannabis has been consumed for decades, the social policy angle makes no sense as effects should be visible by now. The civil rights angle is the one where the people being oppressed by selective enforcement of the law is the one that makes sense, somewhat evidenced by the progression of changes in state laws, beginning with states that one would rank more progressive on civil rights than more regressive states, where it still remains highly illegal.
    - eternalban 3y ago
      They did try to ban alcohol but it didn't fly. It is so deeply ingrained in human civilization, specially in the West. I don't believe we have yet experienced -pervasive- use of this substance in society. My sense of it is that a sort of social taboo has been lifted. TBD imo. I can't find the nytimes oped from Giulliani era, but in late 90s early 00s, NYC was arresting people left and right for lousy dime bags. And many 'respectable' types got arrested which prompted the oped I am referring to here. But sure, policing in general has been used as a discrminatory tool, no arguments there.

abofh 3y ago

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1031053251/sackler-family-immunity-purdue-pharma-oxcyontin-opioid-epidemic https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1031053251/sackler-family-imm... Soma was legalized - just ask your neighbors