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>It makes no sense to me that every physical store in a state must check IDs if you want to buy porn or alcohol, but porn websites can just let anyone in withou

>It makes no sense to me that every physical store in a state must check IDs if you want to buy porn or alcohol, but porn websites can just let anyone in without checking ID. So.. what, you have to enter a license number or a picture of a license to let people into a porn website? How does that prove anything other than someone has access to a license number/picture? >There are legitimate privacy concerns with checking ID online, but I think it’s way past time that the government does something to restrict the supply of porn to minors via the internet. First... how? Second.. I sure as shit don't want that. Most people don't want that. Mostly religious nutjobs do, and politicians pretend like they care just to keep on good terms with religious nuts. >The evidence that social media causes harm to minors is clear and compelling. I'm not advocating for social media here- but no one being objective about the subject would ever speak that way. You obviously have a "PROTECT THE CHILDREN!" mentality and want to legislate everything with no respect to anything else. At least just be straight forward instead of trying to make silly arguments.

woeirua 3y ago
> So.. what, you have to enter a license number or a picture of a license to let people into a porn website? How does that prove anything other than someone has access to a license number/picture? It's still a barrier to entry and will stop some kids. Sure, kids can still get fake IDs or use their parents so this wont stop everyone but no law ever will stop everyone. > First... how? Don't know. Let's let the people who have the most interest here figure out a workable way around this. > Second.. I sure as shit don't want that. Most people don't want that. Mostly religious nutjobs do, and politicians pretend like they care just to keep on good terms with religious nuts. You may not. But I'm not a religious nut job, in fact I'm a frequent user of online porn and have for almost 20 years now. That said, I think I'm mature enough now to recognize how fucked up a lot of stuff online is. And now that I have kids, I can see that the status quo is probably not where we want to be on this issue. Not necessarily for my kids (I can put strong content filtering on my networks), but for other people who aren't nearly as tech savvy. > I'm not advocating for social media here- but no one being objective about the subject would ever speak that way. You obviously have a "PROTECT THE CHILDREN!" mentality and want to legislate everything with no respect to anything else. At least just be straight forward instead of trying to make silly arguments. Looks pretty compelling to me: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3919760 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3919760
- eatsyourtacos 3y ago
  >Don't know. Let's let the people who have the most interest here figure out a workable way around this. You don't think people have thought about this shit since the internet started? There is literally no viable way- otherwise it probably would have already happened. So honestly the entire argument is completely moot unless you want us to video chat with someone to verify our identity and age before we decide to search for a naughty image.
  - woeirua 3y ago
    No, that is not what happened. State governments initially did put into place age verification restrictions. Those restrictions were struck down by the Supreme Court in Ashcroft v ACLU because SCOTUS believed that content filtering could be a suitable alternative. 20 years later, we know that content filtering is an abject failure. So the states are passing these laws to get before SCOTUS again to overturn Ashcroft v ACLU. The market never did this because they never had to before, and the internet has also drastically changed since this was first brought up.
ngngngng 3y ago
> So.. what, you have to enter a license number or a picture of a license to let people into a porn website? How does that prove anything other than someone has access to a license number/picture? This is such a common argument for any new type of law. Yes, it turns out, you can try and commit fraud and break the law, and then you will be held accountable for it. Banks also have to verify who you are before doing business with you. People are free to try and misrepresent who they are in order to gain access to financial services illegally.

woeirua 3y ago

> So.. what, you have to enter a license number or a picture of a license to let people into a porn website? How does that prove anything other than someone has access to a license number/picture? It's still a barrier to entry and will stop some kids. Sure, kids can still get fake IDs or use their parents so this wont stop everyone but no law ever will stop everyone. > First... how? Don't know. Let's let the people who have the most interest here figure out a workable way around this. > Second.. I sure as shit don't want that. Most people don't want that. Mostly religious nutjobs do, and politicians pretend like they care just to keep on good terms with religious nuts. You may not. But I'm not a religious nut job, in fact I'm a frequent user of online porn and have for almost 20 years now. That said, I think I'm mature enough now to recognize how fucked up a lot of stuff online is. And now that I have kids, I can see that the status quo is probably not where we want to be on this issue. Not necessarily for my kids (I can put strong content filtering on my networks), but for other people who aren't nearly as tech savvy. > I'm not advocating for social media here- but no one being objective about the subject would ever speak that way. You obviously have a "PROTECT THE CHILDREN!" mentality and want to legislate everything with no respect to anything else. At least just be straight forward instead of trying to make silly arguments. Looks pretty compelling to me: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3919760 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3919760

eatsyourtacos 3y ago
>Don't know. Let's let the people who have the most interest here figure out a workable way around this. You don't think people have thought about this shit since the internet started? There is literally no viable way- otherwise it probably would have already happened. So honestly the entire argument is completely moot unless you want us to video chat with someone to verify our identity and age before we decide to search for a naughty image.
- woeirua 3y ago
  No, that is not what happened. State governments initially did put into place age verification restrictions. Those restrictions were struck down by the Supreme Court in Ashcroft v ACLU because SCOTUS believed that content filtering could be a suitable alternative. 20 years later, we know that content filtering is an abject failure. So the states are passing these laws to get before SCOTUS again to overturn Ashcroft v ACLU. The market never did this because they never had to before, and the internet has also drastically changed since this was first brought up.

ngngngng 3y ago

> So.. what, you have to enter a license number or a picture of a license to let people into a porn website? How does that prove anything other than someone has access to a license number/picture? This is such a common argument for any new type of law. Yes, it turns out, you can try and commit fraud and break the law, and then you will be held accountable for it. Banks also have to verify who you are before doing business with you. People are free to try and misrepresent who they are in order to gain access to financial services illegally.