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So the group that relied on stealing and ripping the licenses off of software to build their project is upset that people are using their product in a way they

by tedivm 3y ago

So the group that relied on stealing and ripping the licenses off of software to build their project is upset that people are using their product in a way they don't like? That's some amazing hypocrisy.

jacekm 3y ago
The guy is essentially stealing the CPU power, he's not just going against ToS.
- tedivm 3y ago
  Yeah and OpenAI, Microsoft, and Github are stealing and profiting off of my brainpower by stealing my open source code. I don't have any sympathy for thieves who get stolen from.
akudha 3y ago
Why is this amazing? Isn't this pretty much the standard situation everywhere - aka, rules for thee, none for me? For example, NRA not letting guns at their convention, but they want guns everywhere else. And on and on and on...
- ejb999 3y ago
  The NRA allows people to carry guns at their convention, just not when someone who is protected by the secret service is speaking. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/posts-mislead-on-rules-for-guns-at-nra-convention-utah-gop-event/ar-AA1aaz7V https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/posts-mislead-on-rules-... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nra-2023-conference-gun-ban/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nra-2023-conference-gun-ba...
  - bastardoperator 3y ago
    Why not, wouldn't they be safer assuming we use NRA logic? I'm still seeing the hypocrisy...
    - maldev 3y ago
      Because the Secret Service won't allow it? Just because you think something is right, doesn't mean you can do it when the law doesn't allow it.
      - bastardoperator 3y ago
        What law is that? Not the supreme law of the land aka the second amendment. The irony is right there, do you see it?
        maldev 3y ago
        You mean the law that the NRA tries to protect and defend? The only irony is that you admit there's a law, a supreme law of the land, but seem to take a biased approach saying there shouldn't be guns. Sadly, they arn't in a position to argue with the secret service, and thus it's only when someone under secret service protection is speaking. If you donate more to the NRA, they'll have more resources to defend the second amendment.
        bastardoperator 3y ago
        I think the NRA convention should have unlimited guns all throughout the convention. The actual irony is that the Secret Service knows weapons aren't safe and will happily enact policies, not laws, at a convention that is designed to promote 2A freedoms while completely trampling on those rights all because they're protecting an individual who apparently has greater rights to not be around your guns.
        maldev 3y ago
        That's their view on it, and i'm glad we agree that it's not the right one and is unconstitutional. If you actually look at gun related homicide statistics, you'll find that certain demographics are that of European levels, while others are that of third world. There's something called availability bias that people can have, and I think you'll find at a NRA convention, or in most of the country, with regular demographics, you are just as likely to be murdered with a weapon as you are in Europe.
BoorishBears 3y ago
I have to ask if anyone's actually following what GPT4All was doing. GPT4All was about abusing random projects that make paid queries to OpenAI, not abusing OpenAI itself. Take what they were doing to phind: https://github.com/xtekky/gpt4free/issues/153 https://github.com/xtekky/gpt4free/issues/153 This is like finding an image hosting site that uploads to S3, then writing a fake S3 client that actually uploads to the image hosting site, and calling it "Free S3 access". Amazon gets paid either way, you're not ripping them off in anyway. Honestly this is OpenAI going above and beyond what they actually need to do, and for some reason people are using it as an excuse to take low effort swings at them.
- tedivm 3y ago
  At the end of the day those companies are using a service built off of my stolen code. I don't think it really changes the ethics all that much- just thieves stealing from thieves who are using a product built using thievery.
  - BoorishBears 3y ago
    Okay.
- MacsHeadroom 3y ago
  You mean GPT4Free. GPT4All is an unrelated ML model based on GPT-J

by tedivm 3y ago

jacekm 3y ago

The guy is essentially stealing the CPU power, he's not just going against ToS.

tedivm 3y ago
Yeah and OpenAI, Microsoft, and Github are stealing and profiting off of my brainpower by stealing my open source code. I don't have any sympathy for thieves who get stolen from.

akudha 3y ago

Why is this amazing? Isn't this pretty much the standard situation everywhere - aka, rules for thee, none for me? For example, NRA not letting guns at their convention, but they want guns everywhere else. And on and on and on...

ejb999 3y ago
The NRA allows people to carry guns at their convention, just not when someone who is protected by the secret service is speaking. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/posts-mislead-on-rules-for-guns-at-nra-convention-utah-gop-event/ar-AA1aaz7V https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/posts-mislead-on-rules-... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nra-2023-conference-gun-ban/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nra-2023-conference-gun-ba...
- bastardoperator 3y ago
  Why not, wouldn't they be safer assuming we use NRA logic? I'm still seeing the hypocrisy...
  - maldev 3y ago
    Because the Secret Service won't allow it? Just because you think something is right, doesn't mean you can do it when the law doesn't allow it.
    - bastardoperator 3y ago
      What law is that? Not the supreme law of the land aka the second amendment. The irony is right there, do you see it?
      - maldev 3y ago
        You mean the law that the NRA tries to protect and defend? The only irony is that you admit there's a law, a supreme law of the land, but seem to take a biased approach saying there shouldn't be guns. Sadly, they arn't in a position to argue with the secret service, and thus it's only when someone under secret service protection is speaking. If you donate more to the NRA, they'll have more resources to defend the second amendment.
        bastardoperator 3y ago
        I think the NRA convention should have unlimited guns all throughout the convention. The actual irony is that the Secret Service knows weapons aren't safe and will happily enact policies, not laws, at a convention that is designed to promote 2A freedoms while completely trampling on those rights all because they're protecting an individual who apparently has greater rights to not be around your guns.
        maldev 3y ago
        That's their view on it, and i'm glad we agree that it's not the right one and is unconstitutional. If you actually look at gun related homicide statistics, you'll find that certain demographics are that of European levels, while others are that of third world. There's something called availability bias that people can have, and I think you'll find at a NRA convention, or in most of the country, with regular demographics, you are just as likely to be murdered with a weapon as you are in Europe.

BoorishBears 3y ago

I have to ask if anyone's actually following what GPT4All was doing. GPT4All was about abusing random projects that make paid queries to OpenAI, not abusing OpenAI itself. Take what they were doing to phind: https://github.com/xtekky/gpt4free/issues/153 https://github.com/xtekky/gpt4free/issues/153 This is like finding an image hosting site that uploads to S3, then writing a fake S3 client that actually uploads to the image hosting site, and calling it "Free S3 access". Amazon gets paid either way, you're not ripping them off in anyway. Honestly this is OpenAI going above and beyond what they actually need to do, and for some reason people are using it as an excuse to take low effort swings at them.

tedivm 3y ago
At the end of the day those companies are using a service built off of my stolen code. I don't think it really changes the ethics all that much- just thieves stealing from thieves who are using a product built using thievery.
- BoorishBears 3y ago
  Okay.
MacsHeadroom 3y ago
You mean GPT4Free. GPT4All is an unrelated ML model based on GPT-J