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Except despite the vast amounts of counter-evidence, people still are somehow dumb enough to think that hiding stuff from kids works (drugs, guns, porn, e.t.c).

Except despite the vast amounts of counter-evidence, people still are somehow dumb enough to think that hiding stuff from kids works (drugs, guns, porn, e.t.c). Porn is absolutely fine for kids to watch as long as the parents properly contextualize it. The issue is that somehow societally accepted that its taboo to talk to your kid about sex at an early age, and plenty of otherwise normal parents are embarrassed to do it.

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Myrmornis 4y ago
What age would you suggest having these conversations so that the kids' porn-viewing sessions can commence?
- Eisenstein 4y ago
  Puberty age sounds logical.
- ActorNightly 4y ago
  As early as 4. Not jumping straight to porn, but starting sex ed. It works very well in Netherlands, where teens end up having much healthier relationships, fewer sexual partners, and less unwanted pregnancies.
  - sh4rks 4y ago
    In what world is sex-Ed comparable to hardcore pornography?
    - ActorNightly 4y ago
      Who said anything about hardcore pornography? 2 people having consensual romantic sex is still porn. Nothing wrong with educating a kid how sex works by showing him/her a video of that. At some point later in the years, the kid will probably stumble onto some hardcore porn, but if you contextualize it properly, he/she will understand that its not how real relationships work. In the same way, its ok (and probably good) if your teen tries weed/alcohol under your supervision, with the proper education around it, but you aren't going to give your kid like a heroin injection just because he/she is curious. But the fact that you establish trust and educate your kid about drugs that he/she will certainly come across is the more important bit about them staying away from harder drugs. Instead of outright ban, and then kid discovering how good weed makes them feel, and then going out and trying harder drugs. Like I shouldn't have to explain this basic concepts to people. Really makes me worry about all the parents raising their kids these days.
      - sh4rks 4y ago
        > who said anything about hardcore pornography Well the main article is about PornHub which is a hardcore pornography site, so... I have no problem with sex-Ed for kids
    - mariusor 4y ago
      I think in a world in which teenagers have a realistic/healthy view on their sexuality and human sexuality in general is a world in which they are capable of inferring that what can be seen in porn is unrealistic, most of the time demeaning, and not something to be idealised.
    - wkat4242 4y ago
      Sex ed provides context to pornography. It doesn't compare but it sets a baseline as to what's normal and what's fiction. I'm sure none of my school peers thought bukkake sessions were actually normal behavior even though they would have been aware of them.
0zemp2c 4y ago
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- ActorNightly 4y ago
  This isn't the place to preach about your religious "purity" dogma.
  - AlecSchueler 4y ago
    What did they say about either religion or purity?
    - ActorNightly 4y ago
      Anti porn or anti sex sentiment is rooted in religion. Even if the person isn't practicing religion, him or her holding these views are indicative of some religious upbringing with the standard amount of brainwashing.
      - AlecSchueler 4y ago
        And what's your basis for that belief?
        ActorNightly 4y ago
        Where else would someone gain this sentiment? Certainly not rational thinking, people aren't discussing specific psychological research at mass. The instant ad hominem attack instead of rational discussion is highly indicative of ideological underpinning. United States certainly and unfortunately has a strong religious background. Quite a few remnants of it are in peoples minds without it realizing it. For example, lot of people would consider it rude not to say "Bless you" when someone sneezes, which is 100% religious origin.
        AlecSchueler 4y ago
AlecSchueler 4y ago
You're equating porn with sexuality. I'm a grown man and I find most of what's on the front page of PornHub to be deeply disturbing. I see racism, misogyny, incest, even simulated assault. In a world where sexual assault is so common I think we need to seriously reconsider what we're consuming and what we're normalising by calling this stuff harmless. And I don't get what you're suggesting in saying hiding stuff doesn't work. Like, I like to enjoy a bit of LSD sometimes but I definitely keep that out of reach of children.
- ActorNightly 4y ago
  You are totally right. While we are at it, lets ban video games because they obviously cause school shootings.
  - AlecSchueler 4y ago
    That's a strawman no? You're trying to colour my argument by associating it with another one. There are some notable differences though. If I play a violent video game then no one is actually being shot. If I watch a woman being choked and ejaculated on by 20 men calling her a worthless slut whore in a porno then I'm watching that genuinely happening. It's more akin to letting children watch videos from actual warzones. Even as an adult I find beheading videos to be disturbing.
    - ActorNightly 4y ago
      Except that you skip over the whole "Media contains certain content -> viewing this content leads to bad behaviour -> said media should be banned" argument as being valid, which is not. You have to demonstrate the causal link between the first two. Also, your subsequent argument is flawed. For the vast majority of popular porn, an actress in a scene where she is "abused" is doing so consensually. Part of having healthy romantic relationships in life is being able to navigate the aspect of consent. For example, a girl may have different standards for sexual intercourse when it comes to having a one night stand, where she may engage in kink or a fetish, versus a long term relationship where she may not want to do that. If you are unable to contextualize this, this means that your parents did a poor job of educating you about sexuality, which further reinforces my argument. This absolutely does not equate to ISIS beheading videos, where the people being beheaded are most likely not consenting to it.
DougN7 4y ago
Porn is very addictive to many people (Reddit has some great posts by many people trying to break free) - anything that gives you a huge dose of dopamine for little effort can be dangerous to someone’s life (not medically dangerous, but certainly emotionally and motivationally). It’s like saying drugs are absolutely fine because they don’t destroy everyone that take them. Or maybe alcohol is a better comparison.
- ActorNightly 4y ago
  Porn is very addictive because the person has no idea how to form real life relationships and engage in real sex in a healthy way. In the same way video games are very addictive because it gives you a sense of accomplishment when you have no mental tools to go out and improve your situation in life. In the same way weed is addictive when you have no mental tools to face hardships in your life and you would rather escape into a care free state of mind. Nothing to do with the things at hand, everything to do with mental conditioning from an early age, a.k.a upbringing, a.k.a parenting.
  - AlecSchueler 4y ago
    Do you think children should be able to purchase cannabis products at dispensaries?
    - loeg 4y ago
      As opposed to from some guy at their school, black market?
      - AlecSchueler 4y ago
        Of course there's a black market for anything but controlling distribution definitely does help.
  - DougN7 4y ago
    That sounds like everything to do with the thing at hand to me. We wish everyone had the awesome perfect parents. That’s never going to happen. And even kids with great parents fall into the traps you mentioned above. All the things above are dangerous to people’s lives for the reasons you mentioned, and more reasons you didn’t mention.
dennis_jeeves1 4y ago
I have even wondered why it's that big a deal for many people. I guess idle minds have nothing better to do other than think about solely sex, porn, food or drugs. And the only way they can prevent themselves from overindulging in these things is to have an external authority figure like the government impose strict restrictions on them. Personal observation: most people just do fine if they are exposed to porn as kids. In fact they are more well-rounded, and intellectually mature compared to their peers who were never exposed to those things early on, just like all other topics.
yamtaddle 4y ago
> Except despite the vast amounts of counter-evidence, people still are somehow dumb enough to think that hiding stuff from kids works (drugs, guns, porn, e.t.c). It's super effective. Not perfect, but "hiding stuff from kids" has excellent ROI—relatively easy, and damn effective. Ask any parent, we do it all the time, and if it didn't work, we'd stop.
jupp0r 4y ago
Hiding away guns from kids (ie gun safe) is working well and often required by law.

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Myrmornis 4y ago

What age would you suggest having these conversations so that the kids' porn-viewing sessions can commence?

Eisenstein 4y ago
Puberty age sounds logical.
ActorNightly 4y ago
As early as 4. Not jumping straight to porn, but starting sex ed. It works very well in Netherlands, where teens end up having much healthier relationships, fewer sexual partners, and less unwanted pregnancies.
- sh4rks 4y ago
  In what world is sex-Ed comparable to hardcore pornography?
  - ActorNightly 4y ago
    Who said anything about hardcore pornography? 2 people having consensual romantic sex is still porn. Nothing wrong with educating a kid how sex works by showing him/her a video of that. At some point later in the years, the kid will probably stumble onto some hardcore porn, but if you contextualize it properly, he/she will understand that its not how real relationships work. In the same way, its ok (and probably good) if your teen tries weed/alcohol under your supervision, with the proper education around it, but you aren't going to give your kid like a heroin injection just because he/she is curious. But the fact that you establish trust and educate your kid about drugs that he/she will certainly come across is the more important bit about them staying away from harder drugs. Instead of outright ban, and then kid discovering how good weed makes them feel, and then going out and trying harder drugs. Like I shouldn't have to explain this basic concepts to people. Really makes me worry about all the parents raising their kids these days.
    - sh4rks 4y ago
      > who said anything about hardcore pornography Well the main article is about PornHub which is a hardcore pornography site, so... I have no problem with sex-Ed for kids
  - mariusor 4y ago
    I think in a world in which teenagers have a realistic/healthy view on their sexuality and human sexuality in general is a world in which they are capable of inferring that what can be seen in porn is unrealistic, most of the time demeaning, and not something to be idealised.
  - wkat4242 4y ago
    Sex ed provides context to pornography. It doesn't compare but it sets a baseline as to what's normal and what's fiction. I'm sure none of my school peers thought bukkake sessions were actually normal behavior even though they would have been aware of them.

0zemp2c 4y ago

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ActorNightly 4y ago
This isn't the place to preach about your religious "purity" dogma.
- AlecSchueler 4y ago
  What did they say about either religion or purity?
  - ActorNightly 4y ago
    Anti porn or anti sex sentiment is rooted in religion. Even if the person isn't practicing religion, him or her holding these views are indicative of some religious upbringing with the standard amount of brainwashing.
    - AlecSchueler 4y ago
      And what's your basis for that belief?
      - ActorNightly 4y ago
        Where else would someone gain this sentiment? Certainly not rational thinking, people aren't discussing specific psychological research at mass. The instant ad hominem attack instead of rational discussion is highly indicative of ideological underpinning. United States certainly and unfortunately has a strong religious background. Quite a few remnants of it are in peoples minds without it realizing it. For example, lot of people would consider it rude not to say "Bless you" when someone sneezes, which is 100% religious origin.
        AlecSchueler 4y ago

AlecSchueler 4y ago

You're equating porn with sexuality. I'm a grown man and I find most of what's on the front page of PornHub to be deeply disturbing. I see racism, misogyny, incest, even simulated assault. In a world where sexual assault is so common I think we need to seriously reconsider what we're consuming and what we're normalising by calling this stuff harmless. And I don't get what you're suggesting in saying hiding stuff doesn't work. Like, I like to enjoy a bit of LSD sometimes but I definitely keep that out of reach of children.

ActorNightly 4y ago
You are totally right. While we are at it, lets ban video games because they obviously cause school shootings.
- AlecSchueler 4y ago
  That's a strawman no? You're trying to colour my argument by associating it with another one. There are some notable differences though. If I play a violent video game then no one is actually being shot. If I watch a woman being choked and ejaculated on by 20 men calling her a worthless slut whore in a porno then I'm watching that genuinely happening. It's more akin to letting children watch videos from actual warzones. Even as an adult I find beheading videos to be disturbing.
  - ActorNightly 4y ago
    Except that you skip over the whole "Media contains certain content -> viewing this content leads to bad behaviour -> said media should be banned" argument as being valid, which is not. You have to demonstrate the causal link between the first two. Also, your subsequent argument is flawed. For the vast majority of popular porn, an actress in a scene where she is "abused" is doing so consensually. Part of having healthy romantic relationships in life is being able to navigate the aspect of consent. For example, a girl may have different standards for sexual intercourse when it comes to having a one night stand, where she may engage in kink or a fetish, versus a long term relationship where she may not want to do that. If you are unable to contextualize this, this means that your parents did a poor job of educating you about sexuality, which further reinforces my argument. This absolutely does not equate to ISIS beheading videos, where the people being beheaded are most likely not consenting to it.

DougN7 4y ago

Porn is very addictive to many people (Reddit has some great posts by many people trying to break free) - anything that gives you a huge dose of dopamine for little effort can be dangerous to someone’s life (not medically dangerous, but certainly emotionally and motivationally). It’s like saying drugs are absolutely fine because they don’t destroy everyone that take them. Or maybe alcohol is a better comparison.

ActorNightly 4y ago
Porn is very addictive because the person has no idea how to form real life relationships and engage in real sex in a healthy way. In the same way video games are very addictive because it gives you a sense of accomplishment when you have no mental tools to go out and improve your situation in life. In the same way weed is addictive when you have no mental tools to face hardships in your life and you would rather escape into a care free state of mind. Nothing to do with the things at hand, everything to do with mental conditioning from an early age, a.k.a upbringing, a.k.a parenting.
- AlecSchueler 4y ago
  Do you think children should be able to purchase cannabis products at dispensaries?
  - loeg 4y ago
    As opposed to from some guy at their school, black market?
    - AlecSchueler 4y ago
      Of course there's a black market for anything but controlling distribution definitely does help.
- DougN7 4y ago
  That sounds like everything to do with the thing at hand to me. We wish everyone had the awesome perfect parents. That’s never going to happen. And even kids with great parents fall into the traps you mentioned above. All the things above are dangerous to people’s lives for the reasons you mentioned, and more reasons you didn’t mention.

dennis_jeeves1 4y ago

I have even wondered why it's that big a deal for many people. I guess idle minds have nothing better to do other than think about solely sex, porn, food or drugs. And the only way they can prevent themselves from overindulging in these things is to have an external authority figure like the government impose strict restrictions on them. Personal observation: most people just do fine if they are exposed to porn as kids. In fact they are more well-rounded, and intellectually mature compared to their peers who were never exposed to those things early on, just like all other topics.

yamtaddle 4y ago

> Except despite the vast amounts of counter-evidence, people still are somehow dumb enough to think that hiding stuff from kids works (drugs, guns, porn, e.t.c). It's super effective. Not perfect, but "hiding stuff from kids" has excellent ROI—relatively easy, and damn effective. Ask any parent, we do it all the time, and if it didn't work, we'd stop.

jupp0r 4y ago

Hiding away guns from kids (ie gun safe) is working well and often required by law.