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Are you arguing allowing children to view sexual acts is legally protected? Should we open up strip clubs and brothels for kids?

lesuorac 3y ago
> Are you arguing allowing children to view sexual acts is legally protected? Yes. I'm pretty sure the entire reason porn is legal is it's considered a 1FA issue in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalit...
- pjc50 3y ago
  US free speech law is weird in that even fairly innocuous sexual content is "obviously not speech" for 1A purposes but overt threats of violence, calls for genocide, blood libel, holocaust denial etc are "not obscene".
  - brookst 3y ago
    > US free speech law is weird in that even fairly innocuous sexual content is "obviously not speech" This really isn't true. See the Miller test[1], and in that same Wikipedia article, the example of adult content (in Utah!) being found not obscene. Christian nationalists like to use "pornography" and "obscenity" interchangeably as rhetorical positioning, but I am hard pressed to think of a case where innocuous sexual content was held to be obscene and therefore not protected speech. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test
brookst 3y ago
I was going to type out lengthy post educating you on the first amendment, content-based restrictions on speech, strict scrutiny, and responsible parenting. But then I was struck by the absurdity of good-faith engagement with someone who equates a de facto ban on adults enjoying pornography with bordellos for children. I hope you find peace and learn to accept yourself before you harm too many others in the name of whatever it is you hate so much about your own character.
- DrThunder 3y ago
  Don't gaslight me. You know good and well children aren't allowed the benefits of amendments. There is no ban on adults enjoying anything here, you're gaslighting. This is specifically about underage children, ya know the ones that legally aren't adults. Maybe you ought to realize they're more important than your narcissistic behaviors? I'm so sick of this current generation of adults not being able to grow up and put the next generation before their own selfish interests.
  - brookst 3y ago
    The ban on speech affects those who are speaking. You're trying to turn it around to be about who is listening. That would be gaslighting, which you throw around so triumphantly. I'm really sorry for whatever happened to you. Please don't perpetuate it.

lesuorac 3y ago

> Are you arguing allowing children to view sexual acts is legally protected? Yes. I'm pretty sure the entire reason porn is legal is it's considered a 1FA issue in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashcroft_v._Free_Speech_Coalit...

pjc50 3y ago
US free speech law is weird in that even fairly innocuous sexual content is "obviously not speech" for 1A purposes but overt threats of violence, calls for genocide, blood libel, holocaust denial etc are "not obscene".
- brookst 3y ago
  > US free speech law is weird in that even fairly innocuous sexual content is "obviously not speech" This really isn't true. See the Miller test[1], and in that same Wikipedia article, the example of adult content (in Utah!) being found not obscene. Christian nationalists like to use "pornography" and "obscenity" interchangeably as rhetorical positioning, but I am hard pressed to think of a case where innocuous sexual content was held to be obscene and therefore not protected speech. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_test

brookst 3y ago

I was going to type out lengthy post educating you on the first amendment, content-based restrictions on speech, strict scrutiny, and responsible parenting. But then I was struck by the absurdity of good-faith engagement with someone who equates a de facto ban on adults enjoying pornography with bordellos for children. I hope you find peace and learn to accept yourself before you harm too many others in the name of whatever it is you hate so much about your own character.

DrThunder 3y ago
Don't gaslight me. You know good and well children aren't allowed the benefits of amendments. There is no ban on adults enjoying anything here, you're gaslighting. This is specifically about underage children, ya know the ones that legally aren't adults. Maybe you ought to realize they're more important than your narcissistic behaviors? I'm so sick of this current generation of adults not being able to grow up and put the next generation before their own selfish interests.
- brookst 3y ago
  The ban on speech affects those who are speaking. You're trying to turn it around to be about who is listening. That would be gaslighting, which you throw around so triumphantly. I'm really sorry for whatever happened to you. Please don't perpetuate it.