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I’ve done plenty of psychedelics. I have no idea why you would imply dreams and near death experiences are in the same boat, and much further than that, why you

I’ve done plenty of psychedelics. I have no idea why you would imply dreams and near death experiences are in the same boat, and much further than that, why you’d combine them with the concept of an afterlife. The pineal gland isn’t a third eye. Dreams are blatantly not random neurological firings, but have no inherent relation to death or the concept of life after death at all. Near death experiences are similar. The fact that humans have similar experiences when dying is probably not so different from how our behaviors and experiences line up in a multitude of ways, across cultures. You’re the one dismissing hallucinations as simple or unimportant. Understanding them is crucial to understanding human perception and interpretation at large. Pretty much all of what psychedelics taught me is that the human brain is soooo fucking primed to see patterns and make sense from anything. Close your eyes hard enough and put some white noise in your ears and see god now.

rapnie 3y ago
> the human brain is soooo fucking primed to see patterns and make sense from anything. Fully agree. I've never done psychedelics, but years ago when overworked and by lack of sleep my mind went into a severe state of hyperassociativity. Though a serious health danger (feeling as if your brain gets cooked) it was a magnificent experience. Everything I saw with my eyes triggered an explosion of associations. I felt as if I could pierce the mysteries of the universe, perceive the future as it unfolded before me, and was sure that a higher entity existed. Until.. it became too much and I needed treatment and medication to bring me back to earth. The brain is a powerful machine.
- metroholografx 3y ago
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- meghan_rain 3y ago
  very interesting, do you know the name of this phenomenon? i have experienced something similar, when the brain is munched from overworking and undersleeping, you kind of start "daydreaming", although it might be slightly different than what you have described.
  - rapnie 3y ago
    I don't know a medical term, other than that it is in the area of Mania [0]. For me it was luckily a one time adventure induced by the circumstances. In hindsight I consider it positively, as an enriching experience. When reading the wikipedia page, I avoided some of the more severe afflictions. There are risk factors to avoid. Good sleep most important among them. After such episode the brain is completely drained and needs time to 'recharge'. Having multiple episodes in a row usually leads to a bipolar disorder with true depression following the manic episodes, I was told. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
    - kergonath 3y ago
      > Having multiple episodes in a row usually leads to a bipolar disorder with true depression following the manic episodes, I was told. Yes. I am not sure about the odds, but you might have been lucky. It’s a good way to end up properly insane. I’ve never been anywhere near that state but even milder cases can be frightening. I’ve had 2 periods were everything worked, I was so clever and solved everything, and that was wonderful. Except that after that I could not get out of bed for days, had severe burnouts (no true depression though, thank goodness). And it turned out that what I did was so “clever” and complicated as to be almost re-done from scratch, and also contained mistakes hard to spot amongst the cleverness. It turns out that it does not make you a super-human, but mostly feel like one. I wonder if I had been a painter or a musician instead, if those mistakes would not have been seen as strokes of genius. Since then I’ve noticed that I get mentally tired much more quickly, and I need much more sleep. Anyway, I’m happy for you that you came out of it in one piece and enlightened.
  - sammalloy 3y ago
    > very interesting, do you know the name of this phenomenon? Not OP, but they are describing apophenia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia Many things can trigger it, even high doses of caffeine (such as drinking too much coffee).
    - circlemaker 3y ago
runlaszlorun 3y ago
> Pretty much all of what psychedelics taught me is that the human brain is soooo fucking primed to see patterns and make sense from anything. Or was this the pattern you were primed to see?
- notnaut 3y ago
  One more thing psychedelics has pointed me towards is the feeling that reality may be recursive in some possibly incomprehensible way. So yeah!! Maybe!
kelnos 3y ago
> the human brain is soooo fucking primed to see patterns and make sense from anything I really wish more people would recognize this. I hear so much irrational thinking because people seem to think that random noise is somehow meaningful. Or because people choose to ignore all the information that doesn't match the "pattern", because they've decided what does match is important to them in some way.

rapnie 3y ago

> the human brain is soooo fucking primed to see patterns and make sense from anything. Fully agree. I've never done psychedelics, but years ago when overworked and by lack of sleep my mind went into a severe state of hyperassociativity. Though a serious health danger (feeling as if your brain gets cooked) it was a magnificent experience. Everything I saw with my eyes triggered an explosion of associations. I felt as if I could pierce the mysteries of the universe, perceive the future as it unfolded before me, and was sure that a higher entity existed. Until.. it became too much and I needed treatment and medication to bring me back to earth. The brain is a powerful machine.

metroholografx 3y ago
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meghan_rain 3y ago
very interesting, do you know the name of this phenomenon? i have experienced something similar, when the brain is munched from overworking and undersleeping, you kind of start "daydreaming", although it might be slightly different than what you have described.
- rapnie 3y ago
  I don't know a medical term, other than that it is in the area of Mania [0]. For me it was luckily a one time adventure induced by the circumstances. In hindsight I consider it positively, as an enriching experience. When reading the wikipedia page, I avoided some of the more severe afflictions. There are risk factors to avoid. Good sleep most important among them. After such episode the brain is completely drained and needs time to 'recharge'. Having multiple episodes in a row usually leads to a bipolar disorder with true depression following the manic episodes, I was told. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mania
  - kergonath 3y ago
    > Having multiple episodes in a row usually leads to a bipolar disorder with true depression following the manic episodes, I was told. Yes. I am not sure about the odds, but you might have been lucky. It’s a good way to end up properly insane. I’ve never been anywhere near that state but even milder cases can be frightening. I’ve had 2 periods were everything worked, I was so clever and solved everything, and that was wonderful. Except that after that I could not get out of bed for days, had severe burnouts (no true depression though, thank goodness). And it turned out that what I did was so “clever” and complicated as to be almost re-done from scratch, and also contained mistakes hard to spot amongst the cleverness. It turns out that it does not make you a super-human, but mostly feel like one. I wonder if I had been a painter or a musician instead, if those mistakes would not have been seen as strokes of genius. Since then I’ve noticed that I get mentally tired much more quickly, and I need much more sleep. Anyway, I’m happy for you that you came out of it in one piece and enlightened.
- sammalloy 3y ago
  > very interesting, do you know the name of this phenomenon? Not OP, but they are describing apophenia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia Many things can trigger it, even high doses of caffeine (such as drinking too much coffee).
  - circlemaker 3y ago

runlaszlorun 3y ago

> Pretty much all of what psychedelics taught me is that the human brain is soooo fucking primed to see patterns and make sense from anything. Or was this the pattern you were primed to see?

notnaut 3y ago
One more thing psychedelics has pointed me towards is the feeling that reality may be recursive in some possibly incomprehensible way. So yeah!! Maybe!

kelnos 3y ago

> the human brain is soooo fucking primed to see patterns and make sense from anything I really wish more people would recognize this. I hear so much irrational thinking because people seem to think that random noise is somehow meaningful. Or because people choose to ignore all the information that doesn't match the "pattern", because they've decided what does match is important to them in some way.