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Obviously this won't affect the billionaire oligarchs and politicians, only the regular working people.

ejb999 4y ago
thats the plan isn't it? We all give up our suv's, big houses, gas stoves, meat and travel so that the elites that preach to us from their 500' yachts and private jets as they travel the world collecting global warming awards?
- gadders 4y ago
  “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France
- nivenkos 4y ago
  Like Bill Gates saying he's part of the solution - https://finance.yahoo.com/news/im-part-solution-bill-gates-140000674.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/im-part-solution-bill-gates-1... "Billionaire philanthropist" - the definition of an oxymoron.
  - gadders 4y ago
    Honestly I preferred billionaires when they just blew their money on jets like Larry Ellison. At least they weren't making my life materially worse.
justinzollars 4y ago
I rented a 5-10 million dollar home in Silicon Valley (an Airbnb). And as I imagined, the shower was a torrent. It wasn't conserving any water like my home in the Bay Area was regulated to do.
nivenkos 4y ago
In the EU private jets are exempt from the new fuel duty as long as they make less than 243 flights every 4 months: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/PETI-CM-731622_EN.pdf https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/PETI-CM-731622... They don't even try to hide the hypocrisy. They're unelected and steal our money with ever-increasing taxes which they exempt themselves from.
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CalRobert 4y ago
Perhaps we should remove taxes on cigarettes while we're at it? Think of the working people! If the tax is set appropriately and covers _all_ the negative externalities then we shouldn't even mind if billionaires fly since the entire costs of doing so (including environmental damage) are covered by the ticket. I'm all for a post-scarcity classless utopia but this "but first the revolution" thinking isn't going to stop my kids from dying in a food riot or getting poached in a heat wave.
- gadders 4y ago
  If it covers all negative externalities such that a private jet flight becomes as relatively expensive for a billionaire as it does for an average worker then I'm all for it. Otherwise it's just a case of people with power/money legislating for external costs that will never materially affect them. They should have some skin in the game.
  - CalRobert 4y ago
    But money helps overcome all sorts of shortages and material inconveniences. Are you saying we need to end that before we can marginally increase the cost of flying?
    - gadders 4y ago
      22% isn't marginal, and a large part of my flight cost is already tax. I'm happy with "natural" inconveniences - not everyone gets to have a Ferrari - but not with people legislating for rules they have no intention of being affected by or complying with.
      - CalRobert 4y ago
        How should we get people to use fewer fossil fuels without making them cost more?
        gadders 4y ago
slig 4y ago
They're doing their part https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/01/private-jet-sales-likely-to-reach-highest-ever-level-this-year-report-says https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/01/private-jet-sa...

thats the plan isn't it? We all give up our suv's, big houses, gas stoves, meat and travel so that the elites that preach to us from their 500' yachts and private jets as they travel the world collecting global warming awards?

gadders 4y ago
“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.” ― Anatole France
nivenkos 4y ago
Like Bill Gates saying he's part of the solution - https://finance.yahoo.com/news/im-part-solution-bill-gates-140000674.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/im-part-solution-bill-gates-1... "Billionaire philanthropist" - the definition of an oxymoron.
- gadders 4y ago
  Honestly I preferred billionaires when they just blew their money on jets like Larry Ellison. At least they weren't making my life materially worse.

justinzollars 4y ago

I rented a 5-10 million dollar home in Silicon Valley (an Airbnb). And as I imagined, the shower was a torrent. It wasn't conserving any water like my home in the Bay Area was regulated to do.

nivenkos 4y ago

In the EU private jets are exempt from the new fuel duty as long as they make less than 243 flights every 4 months: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/PETI-CM-731622_EN.pdf https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/PETI-CM-731622... They don't even try to hide the hypocrisy. They're unelected and steal our money with ever-increasing taxes which they exempt themselves from.

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CalRobert 4y ago

Perhaps we should remove taxes on cigarettes while we're at it? Think of the working people! If the tax is set appropriately and covers _all_ the negative externalities then we shouldn't even mind if billionaires fly since the entire costs of doing so (including environmental damage) are covered by the ticket. I'm all for a post-scarcity classless utopia but this "but first the revolution" thinking isn't going to stop my kids from dying in a food riot or getting poached in a heat wave.

gadders 4y ago
If it covers all negative externalities such that a private jet flight becomes as relatively expensive for a billionaire as it does for an average worker then I'm all for it. Otherwise it's just a case of people with power/money legislating for external costs that will never materially affect them. They should have some skin in the game.
- CalRobert 4y ago
  But money helps overcome all sorts of shortages and material inconveniences. Are you saying we need to end that before we can marginally increase the cost of flying?
  - gadders 4y ago
    22% isn't marginal, and a large part of my flight cost is already tax. I'm happy with "natural" inconveniences - not everyone gets to have a Ferrari - but not with people legislating for rules they have no intention of being affected by or complying with.
    - CalRobert 4y ago
      How should we get people to use fewer fossil fuels without making them cost more?
      - gadders 4y ago

slig 4y ago

They're doing their part https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/01/private-jet-sales-likely-to-reach-highest-ever-level-this-year-report-says https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/01/private-jet-sa...