2 ms·

I'd thought that that aspect of the web went out the door when URL was changed from meaning: Universal Resource Locator to Uniform Resource Locator Do you h

I'd thought that that aspect of the web went out the door when URL was changed from meaning: Universal Resource Locator to Uniform Resource Locator Do you have a quote where TBL indicated that _all information/text would be on the Web? I don't see why a page indicating the existence of a physical book isn't adequate, nor why a text has to be available online when there's no workable mechanism for compensating the copyright holder --- the inability to work up such a mechanism was why Ted Nelson's Xanadu never got anywhere. The problem with URL as Universal Resource Locator is that where a file is stored does not match to how it should be searched for (hence the original web directory pages, and the reason search engines are the primary interface for finding anything on the Web) --- moreover, few people are formally trained as librarians, and aren't inclined to name and organize and store things in formal hierarchies so as to facilitate that.

cxr 4y ago
> there's no workable mechanism for compensating the copyright holder You don't think copyright holders make money on their works?
- WillAdams 4y ago
  Not for stuff placed on the Web in a simple and universal fashion --- otherwise there wouldn't be systems such as Patreon and Ko-fi.
  - cxr 4y ago
    I don't understand what you're saying. Patreon, which exists and permits "stuff placed on the Web" to be accessed upon payment, either works or it doesn't. HTTP additionally has a whole range of standardized 4xx status codes related to authorization—notably 402 Payment Required, but also 401 Unauthorized and 403 Forbidden. Similarly, subscriber-only podcasts exist. Either people are getting paid for stuff (which would necessarily imply that it's possible), or they aren't.
    - WillAdams 4y ago
      My point is that there's no imprimatur for placing copyright material on the Web and then automatically paying the owner of the copyright --- without that, there should be no de facto expectation that a copyrighted document exist on the Web which is what I understood you to be specifying.

cxr 4y ago

> there's no workable mechanism for compensating the copyright holder You don't think copyright holders make money on their works?

WillAdams 4y ago
Not for stuff placed on the Web in a simple and universal fashion --- otherwise there wouldn't be systems such as Patreon and Ko-fi.
- cxr 4y ago
  I don't understand what you're saying. Patreon, which exists and permits "stuff placed on the Web" to be accessed upon payment, either works or it doesn't. HTTP additionally has a whole range of standardized 4xx status codes related to authorization—notably 402 Payment Required, but also 401 Unauthorized and 403 Forbidden. Similarly, subscriber-only podcasts exist. Either people are getting paid for stuff (which would necessarily imply that it's possible), or they aren't.
  - WillAdams 4y ago
    My point is that there's no imprimatur for placing copyright material on the Web and then automatically paying the owner of the copyright --- without that, there should be no de facto expectation that a copyrighted document exist on the Web which is what I understood you to be specifying.