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It was certainly discussed that we can't know how long the protection from the vaccines will last. But it also didn't matter much as we needed the protection no
by fabian2k 4y ago
It was certainly discussed that we can't know how long the protection from the vaccines will last. But it also didn't matter much as we needed the protection now, and even a waning protection later is much better than no protection at all.
There were various studies about how the vaccines affected transmission of COVID-19. You don't need unethical studies for that, you can still get that data by observation. The data is a bit noisy as it's affected by all kinds of confounding factors. But we had that data at various points in time. One big problem was that the variants affected that enormously, so the data was out of date at some important points. This was also discussed a lot in the media.
There were various arguments around vaccine mandates that seemed to have missed the memo on the transmission studies for Omicron. This was still discussed in the media, though I found it very annoying that bad arguments were made here by people that should know better.
- rayiner 4y ago[flagged]
- fabian2k 4y agoCOVID-19 is not a harmless disease, especially for the elderly. You can argue about children and young adults without risk factors, but that is only a small part of the population in developed countries. A large part of the population is older and/or has risk factors that put them at a higher risk due to COVID-19. So yes, large parts of the population did need that protection now. And while the process was accelerated, the vaccines were tested and closely monitored.
- rayiner 4y ago> You can argue about children and young adults without risk factors, but that is only a small part of the population in developed countries. Not even close. As of April 2023, there have been less than 80,000 deaths of people under the age of 50. That's 2/3 of the population.
- fabian2k 4y agoSo 80,000 deaths are irrelevant? When a safe and effective vaccine exists?
- rayiner 4y agoIn a country of over 300 million people it indicates a fairly low risk of death from covid for most of the population. Low enough that i think people could reasonably opt out if I they were worried about potential long term side effects from a first generation mRNA vaccine. I rolled the dice and got vaccinated, along with my whole family, but we didn’t need it. We had all had covid already with no drama. So I’m going to be pretty angry if we find out there are even mild long term side effects from it.
- baseballdork 4y ago[flagged]
- rayiner 4y agoYou mean the first mRNA vaccines ever brought to market? Because it’s not like there’s a long list of things companies have thought we’re safe that turned out to have harmful long term side effects. Don’t get me wrong. I’m a compliant, rule-following Asian, so I got my two shots despite having natural immunity. But it’s pretty wild that we forced everyone and their kids to get a novel vaccine—the first commercial products in a whole new class of vaccines—in response to a poorly understood disease that wasn’t a significant threat to young and middle aged people. Like, it wasn’t polio or smallpox which could routinely cripple or kill kids.
- baseballdork 4y agoWhy are we changing the goalposts here? Your comment was about how rare deaths were for COVID-19 for the cohort you selected. Now do deaths from vaccines for the same cohort. Trying to reframe this as a "we forced people to take something we didn't understand" is FUD.
- runsWphotons 4y ago[flagged]
- rayiner 4y ago[flagged]