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Seems like I read that entire thing without hearing any mention of the race of the experiment's victims? Did I miss something in the OP, or did they really make

Seems like I read that entire thing without hearing any mention of the race of the experiment's victims? Did I miss something in the OP, or did they really make it through the entire way without referencing that? I'm assuming it was much like Tuskegee in this respect?

f1refly 3y ago
How is that relevant in any way?
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- leashless 3y ago
  Do you know about Tuskegee Airmen?
  - 2-718-281-828 3y ago
    checked the wikipedia article. don't see how those two subjects relate. care to elaborate?
    - leashless 3y ago
      In that instance the victims of the highly damaging no-consent medical experimentation were all African American. This is likely true of the radiation experiments, but is not indicated in the article.
      - 2-718-281-828 3y ago
        what have the Tuskegee airmen to do with that except for being also black?
      - dragonwriter 3y ago
        > This is likely true of the radiation experiments It's not, in fact, quite the opposite is true: the subjects were all white, by express design.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    The Tuskegee Airmen and the Tuskegee Syphillis Study are two different things; you seem to be conflating them.
- 2-718-281-828 3y ago
  If victims would be primarily black or native that wouldn't change anything about the diabolic nature of the experiment but it would add a very relevant spin to it.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > If victims would be primarily black or native that wouldn't change anything about the diabolic nature of the experiment but it would add a very relevant spin to it. What if they were all poor and white, because the study creators didn’t care about poor people, but also were concerned about the clarity of the data for actually improving health for White people, viewing any possible variation introduced by a more representative study population as noise? (Asking because that is, in fact, how the study was designed; at least, the targeting, the assumption about why it was targeted that way is an inference.) https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/radiation/dir/mstreet/commeet/pm04/pl4brf/pl4brd.txt https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/radiation/dir/mstreet/commeet/pm0...
dragonwriter 3y ago
> Seems like I read that entire thing without hearing any mention of the race of the experiment's victims? They were exclusively white by design (they enrolled all of the white patients from a particular clinic [0] who were at the targeted point in pregnancy), because the purpose of the experiment was actually to inprove health for other people [1], and to the extent that race might correlate with difference in iron absorption, keeping the study focussed on the population it was intended to help was a goal. > I'm assuming it was much like Tuskegee in this respect? Like Tuskegee in that it was all of inhumane, wildly racist, and that the subject population was socially vulnerable, but different in the details of how those factors combined. [0] whose population served was poor [1] dangerously radioactive iron was used because it made determining absorption of iron easier, not because the effects of radiation or behavior specific to radioactive iron was being studied.

f1refly 3y ago

How is that relevant in any way?

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leashless 3y ago
Do you know about Tuskegee Airmen?
- 2-718-281-828 3y ago
  checked the wikipedia article. don't see how those two subjects relate. care to elaborate?
  - leashless 3y ago
    In that instance the victims of the highly damaging no-consent medical experimentation were all African American. This is likely true of the radiation experiments, but is not indicated in the article.
    - 2-718-281-828 3y ago
      what have the Tuskegee airmen to do with that except for being also black?
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > This is likely true of the radiation experiments It's not, in fact, quite the opposite is true: the subjects were all white, by express design.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  The Tuskegee Airmen and the Tuskegee Syphillis Study are two different things; you seem to be conflating them.
2-718-281-828 3y ago
If victims would be primarily black or native that wouldn't change anything about the diabolic nature of the experiment but it would add a very relevant spin to it.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > If victims would be primarily black or native that wouldn't change anything about the diabolic nature of the experiment but it would add a very relevant spin to it. What if they were all poor and white, because the study creators didn’t care about poor people, but also were concerned about the clarity of the data for actually improving health for White people, viewing any possible variation introduced by a more representative study population as noise? (Asking because that is, in fact, how the study was designed; at least, the targeting, the assumption about why it was targeted that way is an inference.) https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/radiation/dir/mstreet/commeet/pm04/pl4brf/pl4brd.txt https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/radiation/dir/mstreet/commeet/pm0...

dragonwriter 3y ago

> Seems like I read that entire thing without hearing any mention of the race of the experiment's victims? They were exclusively white by design (they enrolled all of the white patients from a particular clinic [0] who were at the targeted point in pregnancy), because the purpose of the experiment was actually to inprove health for other people [1], and to the extent that race might correlate with difference in iron absorption, keeping the study focussed on the population it was intended to help was a goal. > I'm assuming it was much like Tuskegee in this respect? Like Tuskegee in that it was all of inhumane, wildly racist, and that the subject population was socially vulnerable, but different in the details of how those factors combined. [0] whose population served was poor [1] dangerously radioactive iron was used because it made determining absorption of iron easier, not because the effects of radiation or behavior specific to radioactive iron was being studied.