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I don't think that's a good explanation at all. People are murdering less than a few decades ago, beating their kids less, stealing fewer car stereos. There mig

I don't think that's a good explanation at all. People are murdering less than a few decades ago, beating their kids less, stealing fewer car stereos. There might indeed be moral decay, but that doesn't answer why fake license plates and not some other thing. I suspect the reason for greater fake license plate use is the same reason for most products picking up: people are selling them, people are hearing about them, etc. I suspect speeding has many causes, among them the fact that cars these days can accelerate easier and ride more gently at high speeds. People mostly drive however feels comfortable.

silisili 3y ago
These are all acts of violence or crime directly against others, and not necessarily signs of moral decay. I'm not sure moral decay is the term I'd use, perhaps? I'd argue what's happening is that people seem to care less about other people, and more about themselves. It's more indifference, than outward anger or spite. "I'm not running the red light to hurt you, I just don't care that delays you, and I've got places to be" mindset. At least, that's what I've concluded from my own observations.
- watwut 3y ago
  I would say that violence against others is also important part of moral decay. As in, "I just do not care if it delayed you" is morally superior to "I best you to vent my own feelings or to control you".
WheatMillington 3y ago
>People are murdering less than a few decades ago Check your stats, this is quickly becoming outdated. Murder rates are back up where they were in the 90's in many parts of the USA.
- flangola7 3y ago
  Source?
  - HoppyHaus 3y ago
    You can use CDC WONDER[1] and the FBI's statistics[2] to check it. In terms of homicide, in raw numbers we are at 90s levels, but per-capita it's significantly down. 1) https://wonder.cdc.gov/Deaths-by-Underlying-Cause.html https://wonder.cdc.gov/Deaths-by-Underlying-Cause.html 2) https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/ https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/
- watwut 3y ago
  Yeah, source? There is very much political "out of control crime" narrative from certain players, but fairly often it has zero to do with reality. But, the fear got some innocent door ringers killed already, so if the fear goes up, we might get there.
  - dagw 3y ago
    To be fair, the person you're replying to did specify "some parts" of the US. While you are correct the homicide is clearly down across the US, compared to the peaks in the 90s, there are also places where it is creeping back to 90s levels. Philadelphia and Chicago are two 'random' cities I just checked the statistics for and their murder rates are either at or close to the rates in 90s, and way up from the rates in the 2010s.
    - midoridensha 3y ago
      I'm guessing the rates are up in the cities, and down in the rural areas. And there's a good reason for this: there's fewer and fewer people in the rural areas and small towns, and the ones there are getting old. All the younger people are in the cities, and murders aren't normally committed by retired people.
      - dagw 3y ago
        I'm guessing the rates are up in the cities, and down in the rural areas. It's more complicated than that. New York and Houston, for example, are way down from their peaks, and no one would consider those rural.
- irq 3y ago
  This source sorta confirms it: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/murder-homicide-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/murd...
  - lamontcg 3y ago
    where's the post-2020 data? for major cities it is here: https://counciloncj.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/CCJ%E2%80%93Crime-Trends-Year-End-2022-Word-for-PDF.pdf https://counciloncj.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/CCJ%E2%80... a personal anecdote on issues with crime data: the old truck i've got got broken into and the ignition got punched out and someone tried to steal it, but even though it is a 2000 it has an immobilizer so they weren't successful. i didn't bother reporting it. it was way under my insurance deductible and the cops aren't going to do anything due to a few hundred bucks of property damage. that incident won't appear in any statistics. declining levels of relatively minor crime may reflect growing awareness that reporting it to the police is just a waste of everyone's time.
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silisili 3y ago

These are all acts of violence or crime directly against others, and not necessarily signs of moral decay. I'm not sure moral decay is the term I'd use, perhaps? I'd argue what's happening is that people seem to care less about other people, and more about themselves. It's more indifference, than outward anger or spite. "I'm not running the red light to hurt you, I just don't care that delays you, and I've got places to be" mindset. At least, that's what I've concluded from my own observations.

watwut 3y ago
I would say that violence against others is also important part of moral decay. As in, "I just do not care if it delayed you" is morally superior to "I best you to vent my own feelings or to control you".

WheatMillington 3y ago

>People are murdering less than a few decades ago Check your stats, this is quickly becoming outdated. Murder rates are back up where they were in the 90's in many parts of the USA.

flangola7 3y ago
Source?
- HoppyHaus 3y ago
  You can use CDC WONDER[1] and the FBI's statistics[2] to check it. In terms of homicide, in raw numbers we are at 90s levels, but per-capita it's significantly down. 1) https://wonder.cdc.gov/Deaths-by-Underlying-Cause.html https://wonder.cdc.gov/Deaths-by-Underlying-Cause.html 2) https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/ https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/
watwut 3y ago
Yeah, source? There is very much political "out of control crime" narrative from certain players, but fairly often it has zero to do with reality. But, the fear got some innocent door ringers killed already, so if the fear goes up, we might get there.
- dagw 3y ago
  To be fair, the person you're replying to did specify "some parts" of the US. While you are correct the homicide is clearly down across the US, compared to the peaks in the 90s, there are also places where it is creeping back to 90s levels. Philadelphia and Chicago are two 'random' cities I just checked the statistics for and their murder rates are either at or close to the rates in 90s, and way up from the rates in the 2010s.
  - midoridensha 3y ago
    I'm guessing the rates are up in the cities, and down in the rural areas. And there's a good reason for this: there's fewer and fewer people in the rural areas and small towns, and the ones there are getting old. All the younger people are in the cities, and murders aren't normally committed by retired people.
    - dagw 3y ago
      I'm guessing the rates are up in the cities, and down in the rural areas. It's more complicated than that. New York and Houston, for example, are way down from their peaks, and no one would consider those rural.
irq 3y ago
This source sorta confirms it: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/murder-homicide-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/murd...
- lamontcg 3y ago
  where's the post-2020 data? for major cities it is here: https://counciloncj.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/CCJ%E2%80%93Crime-Trends-Year-End-2022-Word-for-PDF.pdf https://counciloncj.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/CCJ%E2%80... a personal anecdote on issues with crime data: the old truck i've got got broken into and the ignition got punched out and someone tried to steal it, but even though it is a 2000 it has an immobilizer so they weren't successful. i didn't bother reporting it. it was way under my insurance deductible and the cops aren't going to do anything due to a few hundred bucks of property damage. that incident won't appear in any statistics. declining levels of relatively minor crime may reflect growing awareness that reporting it to the police is just a waste of everyone's time.

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