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But people upgrade their iphones instead of replacing the glued in battery. Make the battery user replaceable with no tools or at most a small screwdriver, dam

But people upgrade their iphones instead of replacing the glued in battery. Make the battery user replaceable with no tools or at most a small screwdriver, dammit.

jeffbee 4y ago
Nobody wants a phone where the battery flies across the street if you drop it. Most normal people are satisfied with the fact that Apple will replace any iPhone battery with a new one for $49 while you wait.
- throwaway81523 4y ago
  https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement doesn't work for me (doesn't show the estimate) but I thought it was $100+ and took a while. I did a DIY replacement for a 1st gen SE once and it was an unbelievable amount of work, plus many tiny little breakable parts had to be removed, the phone had to be heated to soften the glue, etc. Batteries don't fly across the street if you drop a phone: that is a dumb rationalization. Same with flashlights and other portable devices with batteries. If you insist, have the battery cover held down by a screw. There, no flying off.
- walterbell 4y ago
  Blackberry and Nokia phones with replaceable batteries allowed hot-swap of a fully charged battery. Zero mobile downtime for charging, without requiring gigantic batteries for an excuse of gigantic screens. They were built like tanks and would not fall apart, battery or elsewhere, when dropped.
  - jeffbee 4y ago
    That is completely false. Dropping your blackberry and watching the battery cover skitter across the street and fall down a sewer grate was a common experience in the blackberry era.
    - AshamedCaptain 4y ago
      Whereas these days you'll probably watch as the entire phone shatters, both the screen and the pseudoglass back cover.
      - walterbell 4y ago
        Varying battery requirements could be addressed by a case that provides power to a battery-less phone. There's also MagSafe battery packs, which would disconnect in case of a fall.
    - walterbell 4y ago
      > watching the battery cover skitter across the street The battery, or the battery cover? Do you recall which model?
osigurdson 4y ago
I replaced the battery on my kids iPhone XR. Wow, the screws are literally the size of a spec of dust. To the naked eye, the smallest screwdriver is a poker.
tomjen3 4y ago
And give up water resistance?
- walterbell 4y ago
  What is gained by water resistance for the loss in repairability and privacy, which now requires a faraday bag in the absence of true power-off? Is this trade-off the same for every user? Offer one model with a replaceable battery and let the market decide.
  - tomjen3 4y ago
    There are lots of niche androids. The fair phone does have a replaceable battery. As the context of this debate is ewaste, giving up water resistance can reasonably be assumed to increase ewaste.
    - walterbell 4y ago
      > giving up water resistance can reasonably be assumed to increase ewaste Sacrificing repairability on 100% of phones causes more waste than the tiny percentage of phones that cannot be repaired after water damage? Current phones are water-resistant in varying degrees by IP rating, they are not waterproof. What's the number one remedial action that people took when their Nokia or Blackberry fell into water? Remove the battery to avoid an electrical short. This mitigation is not possible on an iPhone or Pixel.
- thefz 4y ago
  How may times do you use your phone under the rain? A shower? Do you expect it to work in a pool or in the sea?
  - tomjen3 4y ago
    I use my phone, and it needs to work regardless of rain or not. It would also be nice if it worked even if I slip it into water by accident.
- 4y ago

But people upgrade their iphones instead of replacing the glued in battery. Make the battery user replaceable with no tools or at most a small screwdriver, dammit.

jeffbee 4y ago

Nobody wants a phone where the battery flies across the street if you drop it. Most normal people are satisfied with the fact that Apple will replace any iPhone battery with a new one for $49 while you wait.

throwaway81523 4y ago
https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement doesn't work for me (doesn't show the estimate) but I thought it was $100+ and took a while. I did a DIY replacement for a 1st gen SE once and it was an unbelievable amount of work, plus many tiny little breakable parts had to be removed, the phone had to be heated to soften the glue, etc. Batteries don't fly across the street if you drop a phone: that is a dumb rationalization. Same with flashlights and other portable devices with batteries. If you insist, have the battery cover held down by a screw. There, no flying off.
walterbell 4y ago
Blackberry and Nokia phones with replaceable batteries allowed hot-swap of a fully charged battery. Zero mobile downtime for charging, without requiring gigantic batteries for an excuse of gigantic screens. They were built like tanks and would not fall apart, battery or elsewhere, when dropped.
- jeffbee 4y ago
  That is completely false. Dropping your blackberry and watching the battery cover skitter across the street and fall down a sewer grate was a common experience in the blackberry era.
  - AshamedCaptain 4y ago
    Whereas these days you'll probably watch as the entire phone shatters, both the screen and the pseudoglass back cover.
    - walterbell 4y ago
      Varying battery requirements could be addressed by a case that provides power to a battery-less phone. There's also MagSafe battery packs, which would disconnect in case of a fall.
  - walterbell 4y ago
    > watching the battery cover skitter across the street The battery, or the battery cover? Do you recall which model?

osigurdson 4y ago

I replaced the battery on my kids iPhone XR. Wow, the screws are literally the size of a spec of dust. To the naked eye, the smallest screwdriver is a poker.

tomjen3 4y ago

And give up water resistance?

walterbell 4y ago
What is gained by water resistance for the loss in repairability and privacy, which now requires a faraday bag in the absence of true power-off? Is this trade-off the same for every user? Offer one model with a replaceable battery and let the market decide.
- tomjen3 4y ago
  There are lots of niche androids. The fair phone does have a replaceable battery. As the context of this debate is ewaste, giving up water resistance can reasonably be assumed to increase ewaste.
  - walterbell 4y ago
    > giving up water resistance can reasonably be assumed to increase ewaste Sacrificing repairability on 100% of phones causes more waste than the tiny percentage of phones that cannot be repaired after water damage? Current phones are water-resistant in varying degrees by IP rating, they are not waterproof. What's the number one remedial action that people took when their Nokia or Blackberry fell into water? Remove the battery to avoid an electrical short. This mitigation is not possible on an iPhone or Pixel.
thefz 4y ago
How may times do you use your phone under the rain? A shower? Do you expect it to work in a pool or in the sea?
- tomjen3 4y ago
  I use my phone, and it needs to work regardless of rain or not. It would also be nice if it worked even if I slip it into water by accident.
4y ago