4 ms·

> Disregarding the Court is a constitutional crisis. Then a constitutional crisis there shall be. Words don't scare me. If a "constitutional crisis" means the

> Disregarding the Court is a constitutional crisis. Then a constitutional crisis there shall be. Words don't scare me. If a "constitutional crisis" means the government _doesn't_ default on its debt and some politicians and pundits cry foul, and nothing else changes under the heavens, then let's have a "constitutional crisis". > On the other hand, we have the President unilaterally overruling the Congress and the Court. One is a check. The other a coup. Congress can impeach and convict if it's such a big deal. Until they do...

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Then a constitutional crisis there shall be. Words don't scare me In what universe is constitutional crisis, the suspension of the rule of law, not cause a default? You’re trading a minor infraction for a major one. This is a false economy. > Congress can impeach and convict if it's such a big deal. Until they do Police can arrest me if murder is such a big deal.
- GalenErso 3y ago
  I can think of a few situations where taking the life of another human being would be justified, as a last resort.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > can think of a few situations where taking the life of another human being would be justified, as a last resort Straw man. We aren’t saying there couldn’t be a situation where causing social and economic meltdown is valid. If America is threatening global nuclear war, yes, causing it to burn into a deep depression and possibly dictatorship is worth risking. You’re doing that to avoid technical default, which would occur anyway in case of a constitutional crisis. Earlier, you conditioned: “if a "constitutional crisis" means the government _doesn't_ default on its debt…” That isn’t a valid condition. If the Congress and Court say debt limit, and the President tries to override, you get a constitutional crisis and legal default, on America’s debt, but also everything else.
ProjectArcturis 3y ago
Take two seconds to think about what happens when a president you don't like starts using this power. Trump: "The Supreme Court made the wrong decision in denying my vote fraud lawsuit. It's unconstitutional to allow voter fraud to determine an election. Therefore I'm declaring myself President for a second term."

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> Then a constitutional crisis there shall be. Words don't scare me In what universe is constitutional crisis, the suspension of the rule of law, not cause a default? You’re trading a minor infraction for a major one. This is a false economy. > Congress can impeach and convict if it's such a big deal. Until they do Police can arrest me if murder is such a big deal.

GalenErso 3y ago
I can think of a few situations where taking the life of another human being would be justified, as a last resort.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > can think of a few situations where taking the life of another human being would be justified, as a last resort Straw man. We aren’t saying there couldn’t be a situation where causing social and economic meltdown is valid. If America is threatening global nuclear war, yes, causing it to burn into a deep depression and possibly dictatorship is worth risking. You’re doing that to avoid technical default, which would occur anyway in case of a constitutional crisis. Earlier, you conditioned: “if a "constitutional crisis" means the government _doesn't_ default on its debt…” That isn’t a valid condition. If the Congress and Court say debt limit, and the President tries to override, you get a constitutional crisis and legal default, on America’s debt, but also everything else.

ProjectArcturis 3y ago

Take two seconds to think about what happens when a president you don't like starts using this power. Trump: "The Supreme Court made the wrong decision in denying my vote fraud lawsuit. It's unconstitutional to allow voter fraud to determine an election. Therefore I'm declaring myself President for a second term."