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Please actually respond to the points made given their most charitable interpretation, as the guidelines suggest.
by pc86 4y ago
Please actually respond to the points made given their most charitable interpretation, as the guidelines suggest.
- dingledork69 4y agoI did. You can mince words, but it's still blaming the victim. Telling people who get bullied in the workplace to just accept it and to get a new job is insane.
- lliamander 4y agoThere is a difference between saying a victim, rather than the perpetrator, is to blame for the abuse (actual victim blaming) and saying the victim had the power to avoid it. If I go to a dangerous part of town and get mugged, it's perfectly reasonable to ask how I could have avoided being mugged. That does not mean I am to blame, or that the mugger should not be arrested.
- dingledork69 4y agoDo you also think women should not be allowed to wear revealing clothes, lest they get raped? I hope not. People deserve to be themselves without getting raped, or bullied.
- lliamander 4y ago> Do you also think women should not be allowed to wear revealing clothes, lest they get raped? No. Nor have I said anything like that. > People deserve to be themselves without getting raped, or bullied. Sure, but we don't live in a world where such things can be completely prevented. Therefore, every person has a responsibility to take reasonable precautions for their own safety and well-being. Derailing conversations about what people can or should have done to avoid being victimized with accusations of "victim blaming" is actually quite infantilizing and perpetuates vulnerability.
- dingledork69 4y agoIt's called an analogy. If you'd think for a few minutes you'd see the two situations are pretty similar. Of course one is far more extreme than the other, but both put the blame on the victim. Stop victim blaming.
- lliamander 4y agoAcknowledging that a person has agency and responsibility for their own well being is simply not the same thing as blaming them when they are victimized by other people. Until you understand that, there can be no meaningful discussion. If you continue making accusations and demands, expect to be flagged.
- dingledork69 4y ago[flagged]
- flangola7 4y agoThey did exactly that, you just don't like it.
- pc86 4y agoNo, "don't victim blame" isn't productive discussion, it's meant to end discussion.
- flangola7 4y agoIncorrect. You still just don't like it, and will not accept that it is an accurate statement about your comment. You are not entitled to have others entertain your bad narratives.
- pc86 4y agoYou know you had a perfect opportunity to try to convince me, right? Show me how "don't victim blame" is a productive statement that isn't meant to just immediately shut down the discussion. Show me how it leads to more questions and more discussion instead of silence. But instead, just restating your opinion as if it is objective, unquestionable fact.