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Palo Alto's police budget is much higher than it was in the past. Is the PA police department being "wound down"? Do you have sources for this?

chaostheory 4y ago
You’re in the SF Bay Area and you’ve never heard of people with this ideology? https://theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community https://theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund... I’m not arguing its merit. I’m just point out that it exists
- tptacek 4y ago
  All you're pointing out is that, amongst large groups of people, you can find (relatively) small numbers of people that share implausible beliefs. All anybody here is pointing out to you is that police departments aren't being wound down; the winding down of law enforcement is not, in fact, something we need to plan for or accommodate with technology.
  - chaostheory 4y ago
    Yes, BLM progressives who are making inroads with their defund the police movement are a “small group of people”. /s You can’t back up your weak argument beyond repeatedly referencing flat earthers
    - tptacek 4y ago
      Yes: they are a very small group of people, repudiated so decisively in the last Democratic primary cycle that Brandon Johnson had to run anti-defund in the Chicago mayoral runoff. Nobody is winding down the police. You've gone a little on tilt here.
      - chaostheory 4y ago
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        jkestner 4y ago
        > 50 million people nationwide Seems high. Got a source? Being a decentralized movement, I doubt that all BLM supporters support defunding the police.
        chaostheory 4y ago
        Support is falling, but it’s still surprisingly high. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/07/usa-today-ipsos-poll-just-18-support-defund-police-movement/4599232001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/07/usa-...
        tptacek 4y ago
        This doesn't really mean much. People mean wildly different things by the term "defund", or by "redirecting resources". My municipality will start redirecting resources to non-police response in the coming year, in particular for after-the-fact responses to things like minor residential burglary (people stealing weed whackers from garages). Is that "defund"? People will say it is, but you know who else supports the move? Our local police department. Police departments have been complaining for decades that they've been drafted into all sorts of roles they're not trained to do (or that are less important than the crime suppression role they're meant to have). Long before George Floyd, my cop acquaintances were complaining about how police are pulled into mental health wellness checking. The centerpiece of most named "defund" movements around the US has been non-police mental health response --- which, again, is something police generally agree with. Nobody is winding down police forces.

chaostheory 4y ago

You’re in the SF Bay Area and you’ve never heard of people with this ideology? https://theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community https://theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund... I’m not arguing its merit. I’m just point out that it exists

tptacek 4y ago
All you're pointing out is that, amongst large groups of people, you can find (relatively) small numbers of people that share implausible beliefs. All anybody here is pointing out to you is that police departments aren't being wound down; the winding down of law enforcement is not, in fact, something we need to plan for or accommodate with technology.
- chaostheory 4y ago
  Yes, BLM progressives who are making inroads with their defund the police movement are a “small group of people”. /s You can’t back up your weak argument beyond repeatedly referencing flat earthers
  - tptacek 4y ago
    Yes: they are a very small group of people, repudiated so decisively in the last Democratic primary cycle that Brandon Johnson had to run anti-defund in the Chicago mayoral runoff. Nobody is winding down the police. You've gone a little on tilt here.
    - chaostheory 4y ago
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      - jkestner 4y ago
        > 50 million people nationwide Seems high. Got a source? Being a decentralized movement, I doubt that all BLM supporters support defunding the police.
        chaostheory 4y ago
        Support is falling, but it’s still surprisingly high. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/07/usa-today-ipsos-poll-just-18-support-defund-police-movement/4599232001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/07/usa-...
        tptacek 4y ago
        This doesn't really mean much. People mean wildly different things by the term "defund", or by "redirecting resources". My municipality will start redirecting resources to non-police response in the coming year, in particular for after-the-fact responses to things like minor residential burglary (people stealing weed whackers from garages). Is that "defund"? People will say it is, but you know who else supports the move? Our local police department. Police departments have been complaining for decades that they've been drafted into all sorts of roles they're not trained to do (or that are less important than the crime suppression role they're meant to have). Long before George Floyd, my cop acquaintances were complaining about how police are pulled into mental health wellness checking. The centerpiece of most named "defund" movements around the US has been non-police mental health response --- which, again, is something police generally agree with. Nobody is winding down police forces.