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I gotta ask... why? It's your house, anyone who could get your info from a teleco and wants to know your location almost certainly knows your home address, so t

I gotta ask... why? It's your house, anyone who could get your info from a teleco and wants to know your location almost certainly knows your home address, so this is just to protect from know when you're at your house? If you're still turning on cellular around town too, a decently useful map of your location history would exist anyway? I'm not trying to be snarky or anything, I'm genuinely curious here what the benefit is to you.

codethief 3y ago
> anyone who could get your info from a teleco and wants to know your location almost certainly knows your home address I think OP might be in a jurisdiction where you don't need to provide your address (yet) when > using prepaid cash purchased SIMs
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Even then, your house would be the location you spend most of your time. You'd have to be really vigilant to switch off your cell functions when you go near your house most of the time, and not always at the same place (otherwise a clean gap in the map will reveal where you live). If you want to be untraceable you don't use cellphones, simple as that. Of course modern life is ridiculously difficult that way so it's pretty impossible.
- its_ethan 3y ago
  Right, but surely he had to prove identity when buying/renting the house? Maybe the telco doesn't know - but if someone could've gone through them to get his home address, they could also have gotten it through other means?
  - adastra22 3y ago
    There are plenty of cash rental options out there.
- mycall 3y ago
  On that note, it is legal to give crossroads as home address in the USA.
  - ridgered4 3y ago
    Really? Where do they deliver all the ads to in that case?
KennyBlanken 3y ago
I don't have a link handy but the last time I interacted with the user you're replying to, it was also about cell phones, and they were doing dumb things like swapping SIMs with their wife, thinking it would make things more private....somehow. Guess what a SIM card does when it's put into a new phone? Includes the last IMSI it was installed into when it joins the carrier's network. They're not very well educated on digital privacy and engaging in a lot of cargo-cult privacy stuff that is almost certainly making them stand out like a giant red thumb. Very few people do things like switch SIM cards on a regular basis, at least ones who aren't engaged in criminal enterprises. Their behavior reminds me of a former partner's ex, who was [paranoid-delusional | obsessed with] cell phone tracking. I really have no idea why they're so concerned about their cell phone carrier "knowing" their home address.
- kornhole 3y ago
  I simply don't like people following me around wherever I go and keeping a record of it. I am pretty boring in that way and most others. Rotating SIM cards and devices does not create privacy, but it does create confusion on network maps if someone tried to identify the owner of a SIM or device by analyzing travel patterns.
  - Rimintil 3y ago
    It would certainly make you stand out on that network map compared to others who are even more boring than you are (read: just about everyone, sans criminal enterprises as noted above).
    - kornhole 3y ago
      It would be hilarious and sad if some spooks focused on me or my wife and wasted hours on traffic analysis just to figure out we are average law abiding people of zero interest.
      - BLKNSLVR 3y ago
        I've got a (not very) funny story I'll share on HN once I've done the write-up
kornhole 3y ago
The point is to keep my SIM and phone anonymous. As explained in the article, if they can see where your phone sleeps at night, they can figure out who is associated to the SIM card and the IMSI sent.
- johnisgood 3y ago
  You and your SIM card is associated by law in most European countries. You can get a prepaid SIM card, but you still have to hand your data over. I have a prepaid SIM card and I have a contract for it. I also have one without a contract, but I do have to verify the data once a year. It renders all instant messaging applications that use a phone number insecure, by default.
  - kornhole 3y ago
    silent.link appears available in most of EU. I do not know which VOIP providers are available to your country, but VOIP.MS expanded to EU recently. It is cheap and friendly for consumer users if you can deal with a little technical setup. It requires KYC, but if that is a problem, check kycnot.me.

codethief 3y ago

> anyone who could get your info from a teleco and wants to know your location almost certainly knows your home address I think OP might be in a jurisdiction where you don't need to provide your address (yet) when > using prepaid cash purchased SIMs

wkat4242 3y ago
Even then, your house would be the location you spend most of your time. You'd have to be really vigilant to switch off your cell functions when you go near your house most of the time, and not always at the same place (otherwise a clean gap in the map will reveal where you live). If you want to be untraceable you don't use cellphones, simple as that. Of course modern life is ridiculously difficult that way so it's pretty impossible.
its_ethan 3y ago
Right, but surely he had to prove identity when buying/renting the house? Maybe the telco doesn't know - but if someone could've gone through them to get his home address, they could also have gotten it through other means?
- adastra22 3y ago
  There are plenty of cash rental options out there.
mycall 3y ago
On that note, it is legal to give crossroads as home address in the USA.
- ridgered4 3y ago
  Really? Where do they deliver all the ads to in that case?

KennyBlanken 3y ago

I don't have a link handy but the last time I interacted with the user you're replying to, it was also about cell phones, and they were doing dumb things like swapping SIMs with their wife, thinking it would make things more private....somehow. Guess what a SIM card does when it's put into a new phone? Includes the last IMSI it was installed into when it joins the carrier's network. They're not very well educated on digital privacy and engaging in a lot of cargo-cult privacy stuff that is almost certainly making them stand out like a giant red thumb. Very few people do things like switch SIM cards on a regular basis, at least ones who aren't engaged in criminal enterprises. Their behavior reminds me of a former partner's ex, who was [paranoid-delusional | obsessed with] cell phone tracking. I really have no idea why they're so concerned about their cell phone carrier "knowing" their home address.

kornhole 3y ago
I simply don't like people following me around wherever I go and keeping a record of it. I am pretty boring in that way and most others. Rotating SIM cards and devices does not create privacy, but it does create confusion on network maps if someone tried to identify the owner of a SIM or device by analyzing travel patterns.
- Rimintil 3y ago
  It would certainly make you stand out on that network map compared to others who are even more boring than you are (read: just about everyone, sans criminal enterprises as noted above).
  - kornhole 3y ago
    It would be hilarious and sad if some spooks focused on me or my wife and wasted hours on traffic analysis just to figure out we are average law abiding people of zero interest.
    - BLKNSLVR 3y ago
      I've got a (not very) funny story I'll share on HN once I've done the write-up

kornhole 3y ago

The point is to keep my SIM and phone anonymous. As explained in the article, if they can see where your phone sleeps at night, they can figure out who is associated to the SIM card and the IMSI sent.

johnisgood 3y ago
You and your SIM card is associated by law in most European countries. You can get a prepaid SIM card, but you still have to hand your data over. I have a prepaid SIM card and I have a contract for it. I also have one without a contract, but I do have to verify the data once a year. It renders all instant messaging applications that use a phone number insecure, by default.
- kornhole 3y ago
  silent.link appears available in most of EU. I do not know which VOIP providers are available to your country, but VOIP.MS expanded to EU recently. It is cheap and friendly for consumer users if you can deal with a little technical setup. It requires KYC, but if that is a problem, check kycnot.me.