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As a Canadian, I am of two minds about it. FM radio is required to broadcast Canadian produced or performed music at least for 35% of the time. There are not to

As a Canadian, I am of two minds about it. FM radio is required to broadcast Canadian produced or performed music at least for 35% of the time. There are not too many, in absolute numbers, songs that are both Canadian and popular which results in few songs being broadcast to death. At least that was the case when I used to listen to FM radio. On the other hand, that legislation certainly helped Canadian artists.

capableweb 3y ago
Look forward to seeing the same thing on YouTube, Twitter and other online services from now on in Canada. At least 30% of the videos your feed contain will be from some Canadian "influencers" that the government approved. Regulation will continue being created to force content upon you until you start liking the content.
- threads2 3y ago
  Government-approved, advertiser-approved - what's the diff? It's all garbage when it's being forced on you.
- kranke155 3y ago
  Did you read the article ? It specifically says user generated content is NOT covered.
  - capableweb 3y ago
    Did you? :) It specifically says that addition was proposed but then denied so it's still unclear.
    - kranke155 3y ago
      My understanding is everyone involved tried to clarify that it’s not covered. Not sure why the addition isn’t there
version_five 3y ago
Meh, it doesn't really help Canadian artists, it helps the Canadian version of artists that want to produce something the government wants to support. Same as all business subsidies in Canada. We're just a pretend economy of government spending. Companies playing startup, people playing artist. None of it is viable or valuable outside the government spending bubble, and we'd all be better off if it just stopped. Except for the few ologopolists that want to keep their fiefdoms and ensure no real competition ever emerges.
- abduhl 3y ago
  What is the difference between Canadian artists and the Canadian version of artists? Isn't the latter definitionally a subset of the former? This comment just seems like a rant against governments and laws.
cryptoz 3y ago
So call me, maybe!!
- musicale 3y ago
  "Now, now, the Canadian government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions..."
amscanne 3y ago
One subtle distinction: it has helped Canadian artists that are producing "Canadian Content" [1], not all Canadian artists. If you are a Canadian singer in a band with a song that was composed by your American band mate, you are SOL. The main criticism of this bill is that with richer media content, this line becomes increasingly ambiguous (e.g. see the rules for television [2]). It seems likely that the outcome will be a lot more power for Canadian media giants (via industry groups and trade organizations) and smaller Canadian creators will be worse off, with forced algorithmic priority given to "certified" content. [1] https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/info_sht/r1.htm https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/info_sht/r1.htm [2] https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/cancon/c_cdn.htm https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/cancon/c_cdn.htm
ekianjo 3y ago
And it brings no value in the end when English is spoken in many places outside of Canada
vivekd 3y ago
I think that's going to be the key here, how do you define "Canadian content" in terms of internet broadcast. Does this mean the government will be hand picking which content and producers count as Canadian? If standards are set, will they favor certain content producers with ties to the government. Right now the law is extremely vague and seems like it's tilted towards helping Canada's legacy media rather than small Canadian creators like Canadian youtube producers.
- kranke155 3y ago
  Ir would be indefensible for the government to pick people. It didn’t do that before on TV so why would it do that now ? Quota laws are not that rare outside of the US. They were used in France to rebuild the National cinema. There is no trend for the government to do what you’ve described, and they do is they create a positive loop between the distributors and content creators so more local content is produced and shown.
musicale 3y ago
> FM radio is required to broadcast Canadian produced or performed music at least for 35% of the time Let's see... popular music on FM radio in the US: The Weeknd, Drake, Justin Bieber... Shawn Mendes.... Yeah, 35% sounds about right.
- sbaiddn 3y ago
  Radio in YYZ: Sam Roberts, Celine Dione, Nickleback, Avril Levine. Sounds disturbed.
  - musicale 3y ago
    "I think this is a jam", "...this is an amazing song." -Lizzo, on Nickelback's How You Remind Me Though I can't remember the last time I heard Gordon Lightfoot on US radio. Which is a shame - he is an astonishing songwriter.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
  And 100% garbage! (Not because it's Canadian, because it's on radio)
  - musicale 3y ago
    I make no apologies for being a fan of The Weeknd. And Carly Rae Jepsen.
    - mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
      And I make no apologies for having never heard of either of them! Just not interested in music that's made from the ground up just to stick in people heads for a few days, personally. The art is gone, they follow a pretty basic formula. And they usually don't even write their own music except for the lyrics. And if you're lucky you might even get to hear their actual voice! Might as well just listen to generative music at that point. At least that will have interesting moments in it when it enters the uncanny valley.
sbaiddn 3y ago
When I went to visit my parents for Easter I was shocked to hear Sam Roberts' Milky Way song. That was shocking.
osigurdson 3y ago
>> FM radio is required to broadcast So, how does this work on Spotify? Am I now required to listen to Nickelback?
- brewdad 3y ago
  Depends on how the US Supreme Court rules on “the algorithm”
- mynegation 3y ago
  As if you were able to avoid Nickelback before. It is plausible that the requirement would be something like 'insert at least 35% Canadian tracks' to any pre-canned playlist or 'song radio' sequence. I wonder how that would work with Gothenburg death metal playlists. I will probably get some Nickelback there.
int_19h 3y ago
It feels to me like if the goal was to help Canadian artists who are "drowned out" by US media, it would suffice to launch a government-run non-profit streaming platform exclusively for Canadian content - then all people looking for it would know exactly where to go, and artists would get all the money that those people are willing to give. And if that scheme is not sufficient, then we're talking about forcing people into consuming content that they wouldn't otherwise.

capableweb 3y ago

Look forward to seeing the same thing on YouTube, Twitter and other online services from now on in Canada. At least 30% of the videos your feed contain will be from some Canadian "influencers" that the government approved. Regulation will continue being created to force content upon you until you start liking the content.

threads2 3y ago
Government-approved, advertiser-approved - what's the diff? It's all garbage when it's being forced on you.
kranke155 3y ago
Did you read the article ? It specifically says user generated content is NOT covered.
- capableweb 3y ago
  Did you? :) It specifically says that addition was proposed but then denied so it's still unclear.
  - kranke155 3y ago
    My understanding is everyone involved tried to clarify that it’s not covered. Not sure why the addition isn’t there

version_five 3y ago

Meh, it doesn't really help Canadian artists, it helps the Canadian version of artists that want to produce something the government wants to support. Same as all business subsidies in Canada. We're just a pretend economy of government spending. Companies playing startup, people playing artist. None of it is viable or valuable outside the government spending bubble, and we'd all be better off if it just stopped. Except for the few ologopolists that want to keep their fiefdoms and ensure no real competition ever emerges.

abduhl 3y ago
What is the difference between Canadian artists and the Canadian version of artists? Isn't the latter definitionally a subset of the former? This comment just seems like a rant against governments and laws.

cryptoz 3y ago

So call me, maybe!!

musicale 3y ago
"Now, now, the Canadian government has apologized for Bryan Adams on several occasions..."

amscanne 3y ago

One subtle distinction: it has helped Canadian artists that are producing "Canadian Content" [1], not all Canadian artists. If you are a Canadian singer in a band with a song that was composed by your American band mate, you are SOL. The main criticism of this bill is that with richer media content, this line becomes increasingly ambiguous (e.g. see the rules for television [2]). It seems likely that the outcome will be a lot more power for Canadian media giants (via industry groups and trade organizations) and smaller Canadian creators will be worse off, with forced algorithmic priority given to "certified" content. [1] https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/info_sht/r1.htm https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/info_sht/r1.htm [2] https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/cancon/c_cdn.htm https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/cancon/c_cdn.htm

ekianjo 3y ago

And it brings no value in the end when English is spoken in many places outside of Canada

vivekd 3y ago

I think that's going to be the key here, how do you define "Canadian content" in terms of internet broadcast. Does this mean the government will be hand picking which content and producers count as Canadian? If standards are set, will they favor certain content producers with ties to the government. Right now the law is extremely vague and seems like it's tilted towards helping Canada's legacy media rather than small Canadian creators like Canadian youtube producers.

kranke155 3y ago
Ir would be indefensible for the government to pick people. It didn’t do that before on TV so why would it do that now ? Quota laws are not that rare outside of the US. They were used in France to rebuild the National cinema. There is no trend for the government to do what you’ve described, and they do is they create a positive loop between the distributors and content creators so more local content is produced and shown.

musicale 3y ago

> FM radio is required to broadcast Canadian produced or performed music at least for 35% of the time Let's see... popular music on FM radio in the US: The Weeknd, Drake, Justin Bieber... Shawn Mendes.... Yeah, 35% sounds about right.

sbaiddn 3y ago
Radio in YYZ: Sam Roberts, Celine Dione, Nickleback, Avril Levine. Sounds disturbed.
- musicale 3y ago
  "I think this is a jam", "...this is an amazing song." -Lizzo, on Nickelback's How You Remind Me Though I can't remember the last time I heard Gordon Lightfoot on US radio. Which is a shame - he is an astonishing songwriter.
mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
And 100% garbage! (Not because it's Canadian, because it's on radio)
- musicale 3y ago
  I make no apologies for being a fan of The Weeknd. And Carly Rae Jepsen.
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
    And I make no apologies for having never heard of either of them! Just not interested in music that's made from the ground up just to stick in people heads for a few days, personally. The art is gone, they follow a pretty basic formula. And they usually don't even write their own music except for the lyrics. And if you're lucky you might even get to hear their actual voice! Might as well just listen to generative music at that point. At least that will have interesting moments in it when it enters the uncanny valley.

sbaiddn 3y ago

When I went to visit my parents for Easter I was shocked to hear Sam Roberts' Milky Way song. That was shocking.

osigurdson 3y ago

>> FM radio is required to broadcast So, how does this work on Spotify? Am I now required to listen to Nickelback?

brewdad 3y ago
Depends on how the US Supreme Court rules on “the algorithm”
mynegation 3y ago
As if you were able to avoid Nickelback before. It is plausible that the requirement would be something like 'insert at least 35% Canadian tracks' to any pre-canned playlist or 'song radio' sequence. I wonder how that would work with Gothenburg death metal playlists. I will probably get some Nickelback there.

int_19h 3y ago

It feels to me like if the goal was to help Canadian artists who are "drowned out" by US media, it would suffice to launch a government-run non-profit streaming platform exclusively for Canadian content - then all people looking for it would know exactly where to go, and artists would get all the money that those people are willing to give. And if that scheme is not sufficient, then we're talking about forcing people into consuming content that they wouldn't otherwise.