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This is my biggest worry that as countries continue to add more and more laws the internet becomes more and more fragmented and soon instead of the internet we

This is my biggest worry that as countries continue to add more and more laws the internet becomes more and more fragmented and soon instead of the internet we have the EUnet, the CAnet, the ChinaNet, the RussiaNet the AmericaNet, etc.

frumper 3y ago
This sounds more like telling companies that sell to Canadians to put back into the Canadian economy and to support all Canadian customers, not just the easy ones. I'm sure it's nice to have Netflix pay Canadian taxes, but what is better is if Netflix helps create jobs for Canadians by using revenue that Netflix earns by operating in Canada. That seems reasonable to me for every country.
- version_five 3y ago
  I'm assuming your not canadian. Canadian content is a tax we (canadians) all pay, being forced to wade through a sea of government approved crap to actually watch a good show. It benefits some small elite class of people, it's not for "difficult" Canadian customers.
  - frumper 3y ago
    > online undertakings shall clearly promote and recommend Canadian programming, in both official languages as well as in Indigenous languages That was what I was commenting about easy customers. Netflix has a lot of content in English, and I'd imagine French, but they'd need to also support Indigenous languages. Are you suggesting Indigenous people are the small cadre of elites in Canada?
    - aflag 3y ago
      Does the bill single out netflix and amazon prime? Will the independent youtuber also have to support indigenous languages?
      - capableweb 3y ago
        Supposedly, the bill is for companies who produce their own content (just like the existing broadcasting laws) and not for companies that serve user-generated content (like YouTube).
        aflag 3y ago
        YouTubers produce their own content, though. And they often are limited companies, as they need to pay an editor, receive sponsorship, etc. Sometimes it's easier to be a company, legally.
    - speed_spread 3y ago
      I would soooo re-binge-watch Breaking Bad dubbed in Innu-Aimun!
  - jszymborski 3y ago
    Cancon is content made by Canadians, not propaganda censored by the gov't. Are Canadians simply incapable of making a good show? Shitt's Creek tore through the Emmy's just a few years ago.
    - version_five 3y ago
      It's the government subsidies that make it shitty, because they're not merit based, they're based on selection criteria that align with whatever the government wants to push. Canadians could make way better shows with less government intervention. As I said in another comment, the same is true for all of our industries. Instead of making stuff people want, everyone optimizes for getting government funding.
  - SECProto 3y ago
    I'm Canadian, and I like CanCon rules. While this new law has major flaws, I still view it as a net positive.
    - osigurdson 3y ago
      I'm Canadian and view it as a net negative.
- pcthrowaway 3y ago
  I think it's just going to lead to higher Netflix prices in Canada. The requirements honestly seem too harsh. 30% of revenue, not even profits. Ultimately, lots of Canadian artists and content producers will benefit, though other industries (software engineers, advertising, marketing, management, etc.) may be impacted. I'm.. kind of OK with this, but I wonder if the requirement will make these streaming services produce content that people aren't even asking for, just to satisfy the policy
- cscurmudgeon 3y ago
  > I'm sure it's nice to have Netflix pay Canadian taxes, but what is better is if Netflix helps create jobs for Canadians by using revenue that Netflix earns by operating in Canada. So Netflix's taxes in Canada are not helping Canadians so far?
capableweb 3y ago
This is already the case, but it's not based by location but by languages. Spanish-speaking internet is vastly different from the English-speaking one, and so is the internet for Chinese, Russian, French, Portuguese speaking population. Every major language have their own corner of the internet. Anyone who is bilingual can tell you the same :)
- aflag 3y ago
  Sort of. Most sites are available everywhere with the same content, the main exception being exactly netflix and other streaming platforms. Even though language is a barrier sometimes, it's not always. Translation software is getting better every day. Whereas, real time communication between people speaking different languages is not really possible (I can't think of a way for it to be smooth, really), but everything that can be done offline is already accessible by pretty much anyone who wants to give it a go.
  - capableweb 3y ago
    Translation software won't make you understand all the slang and idioms happening when communicating with people natively speaking the same language as you. "Hacemos una chancha" might literally mean "We make a pig" but that's not the meaning of it, and you'll miss a lot of context from conversations unless you're already aware of it, especially when it just looks like translation errors from the software rather than literal translations. Not to mention that depending on the language, you'll be using different websites. Not all Spanish memes are made for reddit or even Spanish speaking reddit.
    - aflag 3y ago
      You miss a bit, but you get most of it. Many people use them successfully to watch YouTube videos, read articles, etc. You can usually find what a meme means by googling it. A lot of American culture gets through to people who don't speak English. To the point of even adopting English expressions in their daily lives. A lot of it has to do with the fact that the internet is currently not as split up as you propose. Heck, before I spoke English I'd play Ultima Online with people from the US. I managed to join a guild and interact with them in the 90s, with bad internet, bad translation software. Just by figuring out the game, picking a word here and there. I've seen people who don't speak Japanese interacting in Japanese communities by just using translators. When people have a shared passion or objective, language is really not a barrier.
bee_rider 3y ago
How local are these laws? Maybe we’ll get BlueNet and RedNet in the US (although that might be confusing for some Spanish speakers).

frumper 3y ago

This sounds more like telling companies that sell to Canadians to put back into the Canadian economy and to support all Canadian customers, not just the easy ones. I'm sure it's nice to have Netflix pay Canadian taxes, but what is better is if Netflix helps create jobs for Canadians by using revenue that Netflix earns by operating in Canada. That seems reasonable to me for every country.

version_five 3y ago
I'm assuming your not canadian. Canadian content is a tax we (canadians) all pay, being forced to wade through a sea of government approved crap to actually watch a good show. It benefits some small elite class of people, it's not for "difficult" Canadian customers.
- frumper 3y ago
  > online undertakings shall clearly promote and recommend Canadian programming, in both official languages as well as in Indigenous languages That was what I was commenting about easy customers. Netflix has a lot of content in English, and I'd imagine French, but they'd need to also support Indigenous languages. Are you suggesting Indigenous people are the small cadre of elites in Canada?
  - aflag 3y ago
    Does the bill single out netflix and amazon prime? Will the independent youtuber also have to support indigenous languages?
    - capableweb 3y ago
      Supposedly, the bill is for companies who produce their own content (just like the existing broadcasting laws) and not for companies that serve user-generated content (like YouTube).
      - aflag 3y ago
        YouTubers produce their own content, though. And they often are limited companies, as they need to pay an editor, receive sponsorship, etc. Sometimes it's easier to be a company, legally.
  - speed_spread 3y ago
    I would soooo re-binge-watch Breaking Bad dubbed in Innu-Aimun!
- jszymborski 3y ago
  Cancon is content made by Canadians, not propaganda censored by the gov't. Are Canadians simply incapable of making a good show? Shitt's Creek tore through the Emmy's just a few years ago.
  - version_five 3y ago
    It's the government subsidies that make it shitty, because they're not merit based, they're based on selection criteria that align with whatever the government wants to push. Canadians could make way better shows with less government intervention. As I said in another comment, the same is true for all of our industries. Instead of making stuff people want, everyone optimizes for getting government funding.
- SECProto 3y ago
  I'm Canadian, and I like CanCon rules. While this new law has major flaws, I still view it as a net positive.
  - osigurdson 3y ago
    I'm Canadian and view it as a net negative.
pcthrowaway 3y ago
I think it's just going to lead to higher Netflix prices in Canada. The requirements honestly seem too harsh. 30% of revenue, not even profits. Ultimately, lots of Canadian artists and content producers will benefit, though other industries (software engineers, advertising, marketing, management, etc.) may be impacted. I'm.. kind of OK with this, but I wonder if the requirement will make these streaming services produce content that people aren't even asking for, just to satisfy the policy
cscurmudgeon 3y ago
> I'm sure it's nice to have Netflix pay Canadian taxes, but what is better is if Netflix helps create jobs for Canadians by using revenue that Netflix earns by operating in Canada. So Netflix's taxes in Canada are not helping Canadians so far?

capableweb 3y ago

This is already the case, but it's not based by location but by languages. Spanish-speaking internet is vastly different from the English-speaking one, and so is the internet for Chinese, Russian, French, Portuguese speaking population. Every major language have their own corner of the internet. Anyone who is bilingual can tell you the same :)

aflag 3y ago
Sort of. Most sites are available everywhere with the same content, the main exception being exactly netflix and other streaming platforms. Even though language is a barrier sometimes, it's not always. Translation software is getting better every day. Whereas, real time communication between people speaking different languages is not really possible (I can't think of a way for it to be smooth, really), but everything that can be done offline is already accessible by pretty much anyone who wants to give it a go.
- capableweb 3y ago
  Translation software won't make you understand all the slang and idioms happening when communicating with people natively speaking the same language as you. "Hacemos una chancha" might literally mean "We make a pig" but that's not the meaning of it, and you'll miss a lot of context from conversations unless you're already aware of it, especially when it just looks like translation errors from the software rather than literal translations. Not to mention that depending on the language, you'll be using different websites. Not all Spanish memes are made for reddit or even Spanish speaking reddit.
  - aflag 3y ago
    You miss a bit, but you get most of it. Many people use them successfully to watch YouTube videos, read articles, etc. You can usually find what a meme means by googling it. A lot of American culture gets through to people who don't speak English. To the point of even adopting English expressions in their daily lives. A lot of it has to do with the fact that the internet is currently not as split up as you propose. Heck, before I spoke English I'd play Ultima Online with people from the US. I managed to join a guild and interact with them in the 90s, with bad internet, bad translation software. Just by figuring out the game, picking a word here and there. I've seen people who don't speak Japanese interacting in Japanese communities by just using translators. When people have a shared passion or objective, language is really not a barrier.

bee_rider 3y ago

How local are these laws? Maybe we’ll get BlueNet and RedNet in the US (although that might be confusing for some Spanish speakers).