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it's just surreal that the US, land of the free, home of the brave, by and large tolerates the state just straight up killing people, denying them the most triv

it's just surreal that the US, land of the free, home of the brave, by and large tolerates the state just straight up killing people, denying them the most trivial of rights, that of "not being murdered". even aside from the deeply flawed judicial system that leads to so so many people being executed despite not having even committed the claimed crime, it's bizarre they're so far behind almost all of the rest of the western world.

121789 4y ago
I sort of agree with the overall sentiment of this (I oppose the death penalty for many reasons), but this does seem like a mild exaggeration. Less than 20 people get the death penalty per year in the US, and they are isolated in a few states (mostly Texas)
mulmen 4y ago
Capital punishment is a legal penalty in 27 of 50 states. But the most populated states do not have capital punishment as a legal penalty. So it is not true that "by and large" the US tolerates this penalty. The trend is clearly toward abolishing the death penalty.
redeeman 4y ago
and then one considers pretty much all other countries, the ONLY thing making it different here, is that while the US is happy to kill its citizens, the other countries are even more happy to have their tax slaves that they prefer to imprison for decades and then try see if they can extract more via taxes. Gotta do ANYTHING to keep the tax slaves paying
- bee_rider 4y ago
  Doesn’t the US have a much higher incarceration rate than most… developed countries, at least?
  - redeeman 4y ago
    yes, and what can we infer here? the US is more willing to keep criminals that might harm others locked up, contrasting to europe where the holy goal is to collect >50% of peoples entire existence, regardless of the risk to others. And also, the US has some slight problems with super corrupt individuals in power like the vice president that hid evidence that would free up wrongly convicted individuals, and hillary clinton that used prison labour to build her vacation homes. the demographics, for many many reasons, are also more criminal in the US
    - bee_rider 4y ago
      I’m not sure what country you are thinking of specifically. Does it have a much higher violent crime rate than the US? Edit: actually, thinking of it, I sort of doubt this will be a productive conversation. I gather that your position is that the US criminal system is basically OK-ish, or at least better than most other developed countries. I basically disagree with this, but I don’t think either of us have any chance of convincing each other, and will both just end up annoyed, so what’s the point, right?
      - redeeman 4y ago
        i strongly dislike the US system, but some of the things it does is much better than what so called "civilized countries" do

121789 4y ago

I sort of agree with the overall sentiment of this (I oppose the death penalty for many reasons), but this does seem like a mild exaggeration. Less than 20 people get the death penalty per year in the US, and they are isolated in a few states (mostly Texas)

mulmen 4y ago

Capital punishment is a legal penalty in 27 of 50 states. But the most populated states do not have capital punishment as a legal penalty. So it is not true that "by and large" the US tolerates this penalty. The trend is clearly toward abolishing the death penalty.

redeeman 4y ago

and then one considers pretty much all other countries, the ONLY thing making it different here, is that while the US is happy to kill its citizens, the other countries are even more happy to have their tax slaves that they prefer to imprison for decades and then try see if they can extract more via taxes. Gotta do ANYTHING to keep the tax slaves paying

bee_rider 4y ago
Doesn’t the US have a much higher incarceration rate than most… developed countries, at least?
- redeeman 4y ago
  yes, and what can we infer here? the US is more willing to keep criminals that might harm others locked up, contrasting to europe where the holy goal is to collect >50% of peoples entire existence, regardless of the risk to others. And also, the US has some slight problems with super corrupt individuals in power like the vice president that hid evidence that would free up wrongly convicted individuals, and hillary clinton that used prison labour to build her vacation homes. the demographics, for many many reasons, are also more criminal in the US
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    I’m not sure what country you are thinking of specifically. Does it have a much higher violent crime rate than the US? Edit: actually, thinking of it, I sort of doubt this will be a productive conversation. I gather that your position is that the US criminal system is basically OK-ish, or at least better than most other developed countries. I basically disagree with this, but I don’t think either of us have any chance of convincing each other, and will both just end up annoyed, so what’s the point, right?
    - redeeman 4y ago
      i strongly dislike the US system, but some of the things it does is much better than what so called "civilized countries" do