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As we wind down police forces, due to both the political climate and the ever shrinking pool of recruits; mass surveillance is the inevitable stop gap.
by chaostheory 4y ago
As we wind down police forces, due to both the political climate and the ever shrinking pool of recruits; mass surveillance is the inevitable stop gap.
- barbazoo 4y ago> As we wind down police forces Any sources to back this up?
- chaostheory 4y agoIt’s an old problem. Keep in mind that this article is from before Floyd. There are more sources https://www.npr.org/2018/12/12/675359781/americas-growing-cop-shortage https://www.npr.org/2018/12/12/675359781/americas-growing-co...
- kevingadd 4y agoYour linked article says they're struggling to hire enough cops. This seems like the opposite of winding down a department; they're attempting to grow.
- chaostheory 4y agoOk I misread the parent comment. Did you not read the other comment next to mine? In case, you can’t read that comment for whatever reason: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/13/at-least-13-cities-are-defunding-their-police-departments/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/13/at-leas... https://theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community https://theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund...
- passwordoops 4y agoHere's one example [0]. I'm not sure what, if any, dent this makes relative to historical budget levels in US police forces, or if it truly counts as "winding down". But there are headlines [0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-de...
- jkestner 4y agoThat’s two years old. Several of those cities have reversed course. NYC just gave a huge increase to the police, and a new Texas law forced Austin to refund. Others are mentioned as “planning to” which never happened.
- nawgz 4y agoKind of a weird comment; haven't both police force sizes and budgets grown as the mass surveillance state has also come into reality?
- chaostheory 4y agoNo. Police forces have had shortages since the mid 2000s. It’s gotten worse since then. It’s been a regular news feature since about 2010. It’s old news https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/07/19/us/police-staffing-shortages-recruitment/index.html https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/07/19/us/police-staffing-shorta...
- anigbrowl 4y agoI think you should review how you came at this argument. 'Winding down' something and having a shortage of one of that thing's inputs are two very different concepts, and you seem to bounce back and forth between talking about it as a hiring problem vs an abolition effort.
- chaostheory 4y agoYou’re right. Here are other links https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/13/at-least-13-cities-are-defunding-their-police-departments/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/13/at-leas... https://theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community https://theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund...
- anigbrowl 4y agoApparently you're just interested in using other people as foils rather than having a discussion. Good luck with that.
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- tptacek 4y agoNobody is winding down police forces. It's difficult right now to hire, but part of the reason for that is that there's lots of demand.
- chaostheory 4y agoThe results are mixed at best, but the defund movement exists https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/13/at-least-13-cities-are-defunding-their-police-departments/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/08/13/at-leas... https://theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community https://theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund...
- tptacek 4y agoEvery movement exists. There are lots of people in the world.
- chaostheory 4y ago… and there is a movement to wind down police forces in the US.
- tptacek 4y agoThere is a movement to teach students that the Earth is flat, too.
- chaostheory 4y agoFor the record, I’m not saying whether or not the movement is good or bad, I’m just saying it exists and it has enough political weight for the mainstream media to cover it. I am trying hard to be neutral even though our politics likely align
- tptacek 4y ago
- kevingadd 4y agoPalo Alto's police budget is much higher than it was in the past. Is the PA police department being "wound down"? Do you have sources for this?
- chaostheory 4y agoYou’re in the SF Bay Area and you’ve never heard of people with this ideology? https://theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community https://theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund... I’m not arguing its merit. I’m just point out that it exists
- tptacek 4y agoAll you're pointing out is that, amongst large groups of people, you can find (relatively) small numbers of people that share implausible beliefs. All anybody here is pointing out to you is that police departments aren't being wound down; the winding down of law enforcement is not, in fact, something we need to plan for or accommodate with technology.
- chaostheory 4y agoYes, BLM progressives who are making inroads with their defund the police movement are a “small group of people”. /s You can’t back up your weak argument beyond repeatedly referencing flat earthers
- tptacek 4y agoYes: they are a very small group of people, repudiated so decisively in the last Democratic primary cycle that Brandon Johnson had to run anti-defund in the Chicago mayoral runoff. Nobody is winding down the police. You've gone a little on tilt here.
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- thebigman433 4y agoNobody is "winding down" their departments. At the absolute most, departments arent getting the same level of funding increases that theyre used to getting. Plus virtually all of the top national leaders, and all of the state/city level leaders are still pushing for overall increases in police funding.
- autoexec 4y agoMost people have no intention of "winding down" police forces. In fact, a lot of "defund the police" proposals would free up police resources that can then go toward catching criminals by not using them for things we don't need police involved in.