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In the early days of Pixar, some traditionalist animators claimed that Pixar was "cheating" because they used 3D modelling tools rather than physically drawing

In the early days of Pixar, some traditionalist animators claimed that Pixar was "cheating" because they used 3D modelling tools rather than physically drawing the frames. The traditionalists didn't see computer animation as a "tool"; they saw it as the computer doing the work of the animator. Were they right? Computers make making things easier. But the human using the computer is the real creator.

hammyhavoc 4y ago
Toy Story was not generative art though. Pointless comparison. Compare generative art tools to other generative art tools.
- jhbadger 4y ago
  Programs take in input and produce output. The whole point of using any program is that the program produces more than you put into it -- otherwise why wouldn't you just use pen and paper? Either all programs are "generative" or none are.
krapp 4y ago
Artists using 3d modeling software actually design and create the model, rigging and animation themselves, they don't tell the software "Metal articulated lamp bouncing across wooden table, 3d render, realistic lighting and shadows" and call it a day. It's a matter of how much control you have over the end product, with AI it's very little. At best, if you want to be charitable, you could describe the role of the person using AI as an art director, but not an artist.
- erksa 4y ago
  > they don't tell the software "Metal articulated lamp bouncing across wooden table, 3d render, realistic lighting and shadows" They would if they could. Your premise seems to be based on you only getting to interact with the AI "art"generator once. What makes you finish the quote with "and call it a day."? What about a writer that uses a recorder to record themselfs speaking out a book and never actually "writes"? Would they be a singer instead?
  - hammyhavoc 4y ago
    They would be a voiceover artist, a storyteller, a voice actor, a narrator, a performer, even an entertainer. Depends whose book it is and if the book already exists to be read from. Ever heard of radio plays? Audio dramas?
    - erksa 4y ago
      So, if I record myself talking transcribe it into a book and publish it, I would be a performer, narrator or even an entertainer -- but not a writer? Maybe my point was unclear. If I had no arms, but still managed to publish a book, would I not be considered a writer since I do not have arms?
      - hammyhavoc 4y ago
        You'd likely be a scriptwriter. It really depends. If someone has someone else ghostwrite them a book (this is super common), are they still a writer? No. Are they an author? Maybe. Are they just a brand slapped on the cover to shift units? Yeah, pretty much.

hammyhavoc 4y ago

Toy Story was not generative art though. Pointless comparison. Compare generative art tools to other generative art tools.

jhbadger 4y ago
Programs take in input and produce output. The whole point of using any program is that the program produces more than you put into it -- otherwise why wouldn't you just use pen and paper? Either all programs are "generative" or none are.

krapp 4y ago

Artists using 3d modeling software actually design and create the model, rigging and animation themselves, they don't tell the software "Metal articulated lamp bouncing across wooden table, 3d render, realistic lighting and shadows" and call it a day. It's a matter of how much control you have over the end product, with AI it's very little. At best, if you want to be charitable, you could describe the role of the person using AI as an art director, but not an artist.

erksa 4y ago
> they don't tell the software "Metal articulated lamp bouncing across wooden table, 3d render, realistic lighting and shadows" They would if they could. Your premise seems to be based on you only getting to interact with the AI "art"generator once. What makes you finish the quote with "and call it a day."? What about a writer that uses a recorder to record themselfs speaking out a book and never actually "writes"? Would they be a singer instead?
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  They would be a voiceover artist, a storyteller, a voice actor, a narrator, a performer, even an entertainer. Depends whose book it is and if the book already exists to be read from. Ever heard of radio plays? Audio dramas?
  - erksa 4y ago
    So, if I record myself talking transcribe it into a book and publish it, I would be a performer, narrator or even an entertainer -- but not a writer? Maybe my point was unclear. If I had no arms, but still managed to publish a book, would I not be considered a writer since I do not have arms?
    - hammyhavoc 4y ago
      You'd likely be a scriptwriter. It really depends. If someone has someone else ghostwrite them a book (this is super common), are they still a writer? No. Are they an author? Maybe. Are they just a brand slapped on the cover to shift units? Yeah, pretty much.