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> It’s a weird thing that the public thinks the defense sector doesn’t know this. They’re aware. Their actions aren't consistent with being aware. Your post wa

> It’s a weird thing that the public thinks the defense sector doesn’t know this. They’re aware. Their actions aren't consistent with being aware. Your post wasn't consistent with being aware. They think they understand, but they act in exactly the way they should not act, digging the hole of distrust deeper. Look at Keith Alexander going to work for Mohammed bin Salman and Saud al-Qahtani. Is that consistent with being "motivated by morals"? Do you think everyone working under him understood that such were his personal long-term plans?

drawnwren 4y ago
There are two problems with your argument. You’re trying to reason from a specific case to the general and your specific case isn’t even that great. Keith Alexander retired from active duty 10 years ago. He’s now, currently, on the Amazon board of directors. Does this make every Amazon employee culpable for his actions? Generally speaking, yes, it is not uncommon for leadership to contract with Saudi Arabia. I did not and continue to not offer any opinion about this nonsequitur. I do not think it’s at all common for them to share secrets. Further, I have no idea what this has to do with the morality of secrets as whole.
- vintermann 4y ago
  I gave an example, I did not "reason from a specific case". The point is not that your organization gets "tainted" by Alexander's actions. You must answer for your own sins, whoever your leader is. The point is that he was always that sort of person, and that's the sort of people who become your leaders. Yes, it's a problem that completely amoral people get high positions in business too, but Amazon board members are not quite as powerful as NSA chiefs - among other things, because Amazon is not as good at convincing its workers to identify with it, like you identify with your mil-int employers.

drawnwren 4y ago

There are two problems with your argument. You’re trying to reason from a specific case to the general and your specific case isn’t even that great. Keith Alexander retired from active duty 10 years ago. He’s now, currently, on the Amazon board of directors. Does this make every Amazon employee culpable for his actions? Generally speaking, yes, it is not uncommon for leadership to contract with Saudi Arabia. I did not and continue to not offer any opinion about this nonsequitur. I do not think it’s at all common for them to share secrets. Further, I have no idea what this has to do with the morality of secrets as whole.

vintermann 4y ago
I gave an example, I did not "reason from a specific case". The point is not that your organization gets "tainted" by Alexander's actions. You must answer for your own sins, whoever your leader is. The point is that he was always that sort of person, and that's the sort of people who become your leaders. Yes, it's a problem that completely amoral people get high positions in business too, but Amazon board members are not quite as powerful as NSA chiefs - among other things, because Amazon is not as good at convincing its workers to identify with it, like you identify with your mil-int employers.