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That wouldn't be a problem if the non-vendored variants of the CSS attributes didn't take so god damn long to become proper standards. The problem is not the w

by tjogin 15y ago

That wouldn't be a problem if the non-vendored variants of the CSS attributes didn't take so god damn long to become proper standards. The problem is not the webkit vendor attributes, the problem is that proper standards aren't able to keep up. HTML5 is still not a proper W3C standard (or "recommendation"), it's still just a working draft, and was last updated in May of 2011. It's been six years. So far.

potch 15y ago
100% agreed. The process has to move faster.
voyou 15y ago
I don't really understand this objection. Sure, HTML 5 isn't officially a standard, but neither is -webkit-whatever; in both cases, you can use whichever non-standard you like, subject to browser support. The advantage of the W3C draft is that it is a non-standard that the browser makers are all working towards.
- tjogin 15y ago
  The objection is that the standardization process is too slow. Not a little bit too slow, but so glacially slow it's almost indistinguishable from abandonment. So, progress of key web technologies needs to be put into vendors's hands. CSS border-radius is still not a W3C recommendation. It's been a draft for nine and a half years. So far. It was last updated one year ago. With a standardization process that broken, vendors need to take things into their own hands, and them doing so, especially webkit doing so, has been an astounding success, IMHO.
  - voyou 15y ago
    Yes, but why does it matter that the standardization process is slow? What is the practical relevance of something moving from "Candidate Recommendation" to "Recommendation" status? Why are draft standards any worse than vendor extensions?
    - tjogin 15y ago
      Prefixed attributes bring features to developers while they are still experimental, which means we don't have to wait a decade before trying them out.
Hixie 15y ago
HTML is a living standard and was last updated yesterday: http://whatwg.org/html The W3C Recommendation process is obsolete.

by tjogin 15y ago

potch 15y ago

100% agreed. The process has to move faster.

voyou 15y ago

I don't really understand this objection. Sure, HTML 5 isn't officially a standard, but neither is -webkit-whatever; in both cases, you can use whichever non-standard you like, subject to browser support. The advantage of the W3C draft is that it is a non-standard that the browser makers are all working towards.

tjogin 15y ago
The objection is that the standardization process is too slow. Not a little bit too slow, but so glacially slow it's almost indistinguishable from abandonment. So, progress of key web technologies needs to be put into vendors's hands. CSS border-radius is still not a W3C recommendation. It's been a draft for nine and a half years. So far. It was last updated one year ago. With a standardization process that broken, vendors need to take things into their own hands, and them doing so, especially webkit doing so, has been an astounding success, IMHO.
- voyou 15y ago
  Yes, but why does it matter that the standardization process is slow? What is the practical relevance of something moving from "Candidate Recommendation" to "Recommendation" status? Why are draft standards any worse than vendor extensions?
  - tjogin 15y ago
    Prefixed attributes bring features to developers while they are still experimental, which means we don't have to wait a decade before trying them out.

Hixie 15y ago

HTML is a living standard and was last updated yesterday: http://whatwg.org/html The W3C Recommendation process is obsolete.