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the margin that vercel makes on these products that you can easily integrate with nextjs (or anything else that runs on their infra) is crazy. All of them offer

the margin that vercel makes on these products that you can easily integrate with nextjs (or anything else that runs on their infra) is crazy. All of them offer easy integration with the edge or lambas functions... I don't see how vercel justifies this price outside of DX

sroussey 3y ago
I mean, you can say that for serverless in general. Heck, you can say that for AWS etc as well.
cccybernetic 3y ago
Consumers have always been willing to pay a premium for simplicity & convenience. No difference here: devs will pay for DX.
- bluebeel 3y ago
  I understand that bu Vercel KV is almost 2x more expensive than Upstash. Even the vercel/kv package is just a wrapper for upstash/redis - I mean what is the benefit of using Vercel KV instead of Upstash? What DX is improved? Upstash offers a nice UI and easy integration with edge functions and lambas functions. It's the same with neon database and cloudflare r2. The only plus value I see is the centralised dashboard. Paying 2x for a single dashboard?
  - ethomson 3y ago
    Product Manager for Vercel's storage products here. Today we announced three new storage products in beta; they're based on infrastructure that are provided by partners. There's a lot that goes in to pricing products -- and our products are distinct from our partners' products. We have different roadmaps and will introduce different features as we continue development. So I don't love to make too many comparisons between apples and oranges. But I suspect that you might be comparing Upstash's per-command pricing for _regional_ requests ($0.20 per 100k) to Vercel KV's? In fact, Vercel KV is multi-region, so the more apt comparison is Upstash's pricing for _global_ requests ($0.40 per 100k).
- dbbk 3y ago
  What DX? One-click install, one time? How does that justify a recurring price premium?

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the margin that vercel makes on these products that you can easily integrate with nextjs (or anything else that runs on their infra) is crazy. All of them offer

by bluebeel 3y ago

sroussey 3y ago
I mean, you can say that for serverless in general. Heck, you can say that for AWS etc as well.
cccybernetic 3y ago
Consumers have always been willing to pay a premium for simplicity & convenience. No difference here: devs will pay for DX.
- bluebeel 3y ago
  I understand that bu Vercel KV is almost 2x more expensive than Upstash. Even the vercel/kv package is just a wrapper for upstash/redis - I mean what is the benefit of using Vercel KV instead of Upstash? What DX is improved? Upstash offers a nice UI and easy integration with edge functions and lambas functions. It's the same with neon database and cloudflare r2. The only plus value I see is the centralised dashboard. Paying 2x for a single dashboard?
  - ethomson 3y ago
    Product Manager for Vercel's storage products here. Today we announced three new storage products in beta; they're based on infrastructure that are provided by partners. There's a lot that goes in to pricing products -- and our products are distinct from our partners' products. We have different roadmaps and will introduce different features as we continue development. So I don't love to make too many comparisons between apples and oranges. But I suspect that you might be comparing Upstash's per-command pricing for _regional_ requests ($0.20 per 100k) to Vercel KV's? In fact, Vercel KV is multi-region, so the more apt comparison is Upstash's pricing for _global_ requests ($0.40 per 100k).
- dbbk 3y ago
  What DX? One-click install, one time? How does that justify a recurring price premium?