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I don't think the church cares about blending with evangelicals, more that they don't want entities that consider themselves adversarial to the church controlli

by mrkstu 3y ago

I don't think the church cares about blending with evangelicals, more that they don't want entities that consider themselves adversarial to the church controlling the image the church projects. Evangelicals consistently consider the LDS/Mormon faith a danger to their version of Christianity- and therefore seek to label it unchristian to poison the well. Allowing that counter-messaging to percolate by not embracing their actual name that starts "Church of Jesus Christ," (at the very beginnings was called "Church of Christ," though as you can imagine that led to differentiation issues.[0]) became problematic as the "Mormons aren't Christian" messaging became more and more emphatic from its rivals. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/name-of-the-church?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/nam...

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
To be fair, others label the LDS as "unChristian" as well, with solid reasoning. For example, the Catholic Church rejects LDS baptism as invalid. That alone makes them a non-Christian. For purposes of marriage between an LDS member and a Catholic, that is a "Disparity of Cult" case that you would also see with a Muslim or Hindu. LDS profess Christ, to be sure, and they adhere to OT/NT conservative values, and outwardly seem like nice Christian people. But they also embrace a "new Gospel" with extra books beyond the Christian canon that change the whole message. And, if you pay attention to their terminology while they speak at length, you may eventually realize that the LDS use words that have completely different meanings from the ways other Christians use words. If you've changed the underlying definitions and then speak in the same way, you're saying completely different things to the in-group without outsiders knowing the difference. The LDS sect is fundamentally "henotheistic" rather than mono- or poly-. They literally believe that Jesus and God the Father are/were separate celestial gods, and they literally believe that every man can become a god of his own celestial kingdom, with a minimum of one celestial wife and celestial children to accompany them for the rest of eternity. They've taken major features of Judaic Temple worship, mixed in a good deal of Freemasonry, and come up with something that is far beyond Christianity as any Christian knows it.
- mrkstu 3y ago
  There is additional doctrine, beyond question. It is a church that is open to further revelation equal to that which came from biblical apostles. There is, however, nothing incompatible with Christian worship prior to the Nicean creed. Definitely post-Nicean it is a heretical sect vs mainline Christianity, but so is all of non-Catholic/Orthodox Christianity on some point or another if you cite the Catholics as the authority, if only on the issue of who's in charge. There is plenty in the Bible to support a henotheistic view of Godhood, so it isn't extra-Biblical/Christian, just not the enforced POV post-Nicea.
  - wl 3y ago
    Yes, you can find hints of henotheism in certain parts of the Hebrew scriptures. However, henotheism in Judaism had died out by the time Christianity developed. It's not something found in the New Testament.
  - pseudalopex 3y ago
    Catholic dogma classifies Protestants heretical Christians and Mormons not Christians. The Council of Nicaea codified already dominant rejection of henotheism.
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      > Catholic dogma classifies Protestants heretical Christians No, it actually does nothing of the kind.
      - dragonwriter 3y ago
        Teaching which was not dogma once did, though the current teaching is more nuanced (and not just in the negative sense of recognizing that some Protestants are not validly baptised and therefore cannot be heretics regardless of their beliefs.)
        pseudalopex 3y ago

by mrkstu 3y ago

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago

To be fair, others label the LDS as "unChristian" as well, with solid reasoning. For example, the Catholic Church rejects LDS baptism as invalid. That alone makes them a non-Christian. For purposes of marriage between an LDS member and a Catholic, that is a "Disparity of Cult" case that you would also see with a Muslim or Hindu. LDS profess Christ, to be sure, and they adhere to OT/NT conservative values, and outwardly seem like nice Christian people. But they also embrace a "new Gospel" with extra books beyond the Christian canon that change the whole message. And, if you pay attention to their terminology while they speak at length, you may eventually realize that the LDS use words that have completely different meanings from the ways other Christians use words. If you've changed the underlying definitions and then speak in the same way, you're saying completely different things to the in-group without outsiders knowing the difference. The LDS sect is fundamentally "henotheistic" rather than mono- or poly-. They literally believe that Jesus and God the Father are/were separate celestial gods, and they literally believe that every man can become a god of his own celestial kingdom, with a minimum of one celestial wife and celestial children to accompany them for the rest of eternity. They've taken major features of Judaic Temple worship, mixed in a good deal of Freemasonry, and come up with something that is far beyond Christianity as any Christian knows it.

mrkstu 3y ago
There is additional doctrine, beyond question. It is a church that is open to further revelation equal to that which came from biblical apostles. There is, however, nothing incompatible with Christian worship prior to the Nicean creed. Definitely post-Nicean it is a heretical sect vs mainline Christianity, but so is all of non-Catholic/Orthodox Christianity on some point or another if you cite the Catholics as the authority, if only on the issue of who's in charge. There is plenty in the Bible to support a henotheistic view of Godhood, so it isn't extra-Biblical/Christian, just not the enforced POV post-Nicea.
- wl 3y ago
  Yes, you can find hints of henotheism in certain parts of the Hebrew scriptures. However, henotheism in Judaism had died out by the time Christianity developed. It's not something found in the New Testament.
- pseudalopex 3y ago
  Catholic dogma classifies Protestants heretical Christians and Mormons not Christians. The Council of Nicaea codified already dominant rejection of henotheism.
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    > Catholic dogma classifies Protestants heretical Christians No, it actually does nothing of the kind.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      Teaching which was not dogma once did, though the current teaching is more nuanced (and not just in the negative sense of recognizing that some Protestants are not validly baptised and therefore cannot be heretics regardless of their beliefs.)
      - pseudalopex 3y ago