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Since we are adding acts of Mormon rebellion and killing. It is worth also adding Mountain Meadows Massacre to the list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_

Since we are adding acts of Mormon rebellion and killing. It is worth also adding Mountain Meadows Massacre to the list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_Massacre tldr: 120 emigrants were traveling by wagon train towards California, passing through Utah. They set up camp south of Salt Lake in a meadow for the night and woke up to being surrounded by the Mormon militia, painted as Native Americans who then opened fire on them, killing 120 men, women, and children. Their goal was to frame Native Americans of the massacre. Mormons did spare any child under the age of 8 because Mormon Doctrine states that children under 8 are innocent and they were taken and raised into Mormonism.

542354234235 3y ago
To add, it wasn’t just opening fire and killing that many. They opened fire, lied siege, and prompted the settlers to surrender. Then executed everyone expect the few children younger than 8.
hinkley 3y ago
False Flag operation and war crimes all before breakfast.
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mythrwy 3y ago
This did happen and it was egregious, but there is slightly more to the story (not that it makes it ok). Years ago in Arizona I worked with a guy who was a descendant of John D. Lee who was the ringleader and later executed for his role in this attack. Lee's Ferry over the Colorado river is named for him also. So I looked into John D Lee a bit. Here is his account: http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mountainmeadows/leeconfession.html http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mountainmeadow... The people in the wagon train were believed to have been those who had burned the Mormons out in Missouri, and although it seems revenge is a more likely motive then fear, there may have been an element of both. At any rate it wasn't just bushwhacking random wagon trains as many passed through the territory at the time. I found Lee's account an interesting read and his grandson (or great grandson) looked very much like him.
cjmcqueen 3y ago
Lots of messy things at that time. For example, it was legal to kill a member of the church of Jesus Christ (i. e. Mormon ) in Missouri from 1838 to 1976. Doesn't make it right, but there were a lot of difficult relationships https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Extermination_Order https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Extermination_Order

542354234235 3y ago

To add, it wasn’t just opening fire and killing that many. They opened fire, lied siege, and prompted the settlers to surrender. Then executed everyone expect the few children younger than 8.

hinkley 3y ago

False Flag operation and war crimes all before breakfast.

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mythrwy 3y ago

This did happen and it was egregious, but there is slightly more to the story (not that it makes it ok). Years ago in Arizona I worked with a guy who was a descendant of John D. Lee who was the ringleader and later executed for his role in this attack. Lee's Ferry over the Colorado river is named for him also. So I looked into John D Lee a bit. Here is his account: http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mountainmeadows/leeconfession.html http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mountainmeadow... The people in the wagon train were believed to have been those who had burned the Mormons out in Missouri, and although it seems revenge is a more likely motive then fear, there may have been an element of both. At any rate it wasn't just bushwhacking random wagon trains as many passed through the territory at the time. I found Lee's account an interesting read and his grandson (or great grandson) looked very much like him.

cjmcqueen 3y ago

Lots of messy things at that time. For example, it was legal to kill a member of the church of Jesus Christ (i. e. Mormon ) in Missouri from 1838 to 1976. Doesn't make it right, but there were a lot of difficult relationships https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Extermination_Order https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Extermination_Order